3 posters including myself T8s, raise PF?

[thesharpie]

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5. Hero posts a blind of $0.5. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

Good PF raise with all that dead money in there? Comment on the rest of the hand if you like. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[deepsquat]

I dont like the pf raise, but it worked out well for you. 10/8s is the last hand anyone would put you on.

[thesharpie]

It also hopefully gave me a laggy image as I never played with anyone at this table before. I wasn't doing it for that reason though...

[Ianco15]

I don't think I would have raised preflop, but I don't know that it is wrong or bad.


Ship__It.

[jaxUp]

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I don't think I would have raised preflop, but I don't know that it is wrong or bad.


Ship__It.

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With reads it could even be quite a good raise, but obviously you have none.

[Kumubou]

You can raise all kinds of crap when you post in position. I tend to raise anything I would actually play late, because the value you are getting for your raise is tremendous.

That flop made the post-flop play easy-mode, though. Not much else to say there, really.

-K

[Entity]

With one limper, one poster, and my blind already posted, this is a VERY easy raise for me.

Rob

[deepsquat]

Entity,

can u plz explain the theory behind raising this, ive never heard of raising this type of hand. Im lost /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Cheers

[istewart]

It's because of all the dead money just sitting there. And you get a discount on your raise.

[Shillx]

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With one limper, one poster, and my blind already posted, this is a VERY easy raise for me.

Rob

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With one limper, one poster and a live blind behind me I'd have a field day raising T8s even if I hadn't posted myself and was forced to invest two bets. With a bet already out there, this is gravy.

Brad

[deepsquat]

ok, so the raise is to steal blind money.

cheers

[Shillx]

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ok, so the raise is to steal blind money.

cheers

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I don't think you get it...so we have 2 other posters, a limper and the blinds who already have money in the pot.

The two other posters have random hands (actually this isn't true because the poster who checked actually has a worse then random hand). His hand is worse then random because he will opt to raise with his best hands. So when he checks we can rule out hands like AA/KK/AK/etc. The limper figures to have slightly better then a random hand (thereby offsetting the 1st posters slightly worse than random hand). The BB also has a random hand and will figure to call getting huge pot odds. Let's PokerStove it:

20,759,893 games 214.782 secs 96,655 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 23.9727 % [ 00.23 00.01 ] { Td8d }
Hand 2: 19.0108 % [ 00.18 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 3: 19.0053 % [ 00.18 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 4: 18.9964 % [ 00.18 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 5: 19.0148 % [ 00.18 00.01 ] { random }

Our hero has an pretty big equity edge with this hand that he needs to push. Notice that if the 2nd poster or the BB fold their hands that is good for us because it puts dead money in the pot. Dead money is a great thing for a PFR because it is much easier for the PF aggressor to take down a pot on the flop/turn then it will be for anyone else. That extra dead money will be in our pockets most of the time.

Brad

[deepsquat]

Man im slow,
thanks for explaining that, i didnt realize that 10-8s was that good a hand in this situation.

So its sort of a combination of things, the raise is for value but also to allow us to take control for the rest of the hand.

(i hope ive understood it finally)

[Aaron W.]

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Entity,

can u plz explain the theory behind raising this, ive never heard of raising this type of hand. Im lost /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Cheers

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Here are a couple recent posts on this type of play. If you understand the ideas behind these, then it's not a stretch to see why this raise is good.

Entity's 52o hand (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=2088825&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;s b=5&amp;o=)

My 82o hand (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Board=micro&amp;Number=2001645&amp;F orum=All_Forums&amp;Words=posted&amp;Searchpage=0&amp;Limit=25 &amp;Main=2001645&amp;Search=true&amp;where=bodysub&amp;Name=32&amp;da terange=1&amp;newerval=1&amp;newertype=m&amp;olderval=&amp;olderty pe=&amp;bodyprev=#Post2001645)

Of course, flopping a monster makes this play magical, but the preflop raise is sound strategy.

[istewart]

Show-off ;0

NH.

[deepsquat]

Thanks for the links Aaron, appreciate it /images/graemlins/wink.gif