Rate this river call

[34TheTruth34]

1 to 10 where 1 is a very easy fold, 5 is close, and 10 is a very easy call.


10/20 Party 6-max, my first hand at the table, no reads.

UTG limps, EP raises, fold, fold, SB calls, I am in the BB with K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif and call. 4 way action.

Flop K-4-4 rainbow.

SB checks, I check, UTG checks, EP bets, SB folds, I call, UTG folds. Heads up.

Turn 9, still rainbow.

I check-raise and he calls.

River J.

I bet, he raises...

[krishanleong]

8

[Alobar]

5.34

[arkady]

5.33

[mperich]

6 nice turn c/r tho

-Mike

[balkii]

i'll put this call a little higher than others at maybe a 7 or 8. i couldnt fold there.

[Huhmare]

7

[DrMoney]

7. At best you figure he has AK, or QK. However, he could also have TT JJ QQ or even AA. Calling on the river is best.

[Wynton]

7.06342


No, wait: 7.06341 is better

[Loci]

8.5

[Alobar]

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he could also have TT JJ QQ or even AA. Calling on the river is best.

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JJ and AA both beat you

[34TheTruth34]

thanks for all the responses (extra props to those who went to 4 and 5 decimal places--I appreciate the thoroughness). I posted this hand because this is an area of my game that may need work. A lot of times I find myself heads up with a player in the 10/20 6-max and get either raised or check-raised on the river. If I had a legitimate, but not overly powerful hand, I would usually just auto-call without thinking just to see what he has (as opposed to calculating pot odds and thinking about if I win often enough). It seems that lately I haven't been winning too many of those times.

Here, I think calling is probably right for two reasons:

1. the opponent is unknown
2. I kinda played my hand like I hit a 9, so he may be raising with AJ.

thoughts?

[ALL1N]

I think folding is fine. Not many players play AK this way, and if he's stubborn he'll 3-bet the turn. My rating: 3

[Apocalypse]

against an unknown i call this down every time. I don't see merit in making an arty farty fold against an opponent i have no read on. I do expect to lose though.

The second reason of something that you played it like a 9 sounds like absolute rubbish to me. If anything, your opponent may think you did the ol' cliche check-call-the-set-on-the-flop-to-checkraise-the-turn move. Most opponents will not raise the river with AJ here, but since you don't know to wich group he belongs : call.

ps. I would have definitely checkraised the flop, or made a stop 'n go on the turncard but this doesnt seem to be the issue

[topspinner]

I would say this is an 9. Also, I agree with Apocalypse that you should check raised the flop.

This might make me sound ignorant but what does "made a stop'n go on the turn card" mean?

[joker122]

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2. I kinda played my hand like I hit a 9, so he may be raising with AJ.


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i don't think he calls the turn CR with AJ, but i'd call here anyway (the river, i mean).

[Apocalypse]

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what does "made a stop'n go on the turn card" mean

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call the flop, lead the turn

Am i missing something but why do people consider this to be an obvious line for a nine. I mean calling a missed flop with a king, and then checkraise your "luckily" spiked secondpair into the PFR?? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

People, when seeing this line at a table, consider it to most probably be a nine, are probably as a result of that calling down way too much i think?

[sam h]

7