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macdaddy991

04-07-2005, 07:02 PM

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Early at table, raiser is agressive, raised a lot of pots, tended to fold to competition.

Preflop and flop seemed standard, my question is the turn call, was it justified since some of my outs were tainted?

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, Hero 3-bets, 5 folds, UTG+2 caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (17.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 18.25 BB

jaxUp

04-07-2005, 07:04 PM

turn call is good. I like the flop raise BTW.

Firefly

04-07-2005, 07:10 PM

Nice hand. If he does have AA or KK, your outs aren't counterfitted because you hold the A and K of /images/graemlins/heart.gif. I'd play the same

macdaddy991

04-07-2005, 07:16 PM

I was more worried about MP1. He quietly called the flop bets, then raised the whole field on the turn. This kind of raise screams either "trips" or "I am a dumbass" This is why I wondered it some of my outs were tainted.

cmwck

04-07-2005, 07:35 PM

sorry, im a little lost. what does raising accomplish again? other than maybe getting a free card...

macdaddy991

04-07-2005, 07:39 PM

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sorry, im a little lost. what does raising accomplish again? other than maybe getting a free card...

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Free card (unlikely) best draw, (very likely) best hand at this point (somewhat likely) spiking an A or a K to win is somewhere in there too. I definately felt as though I had more then a 33% equity in that pot.

elbuddha

04-07-2005, 07:44 PM

grunching...

Generally don't concern yourself with boats unless the board is already double-paired.

Only the J/images/graemlins/heart.gif double-pairs the board since the 7 and 2 are already on the board. I think worrying about the Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif is being too scared. But even if you do, that's still 7 outs for you.

You're getting 13.25:2 to call the turn, which is still enough for 7 outs. Not closing the action sucks, but MP1's raise is probably going to cause UTG+1 to slow down.

In other words, I don't see a better way to play the hand, and I think you played it just fine.

cmwck

04-07-2005, 07:45 PM

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sorry, im a little lost. what does raising accomplish again? other than maybe getting a free card...

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Free card (unlikely) best draw, (very likely) best hand at this point (somewhat likely) spiking an A or a K to win is somewhere in there too. I definately felt as though I had more then a 33% equity in that pot.

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In that case, would capping the flop be an option? Or is your edge too small to cap, in favor of waiting until your edge is larger (i.e. when its 90% or so when you turn or river the nut flush)

macdaddy991

04-07-2005, 07:50 PM

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sorry, im a little lost. what does raising accomplish again? other than maybe getting a free card...

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Free card (unlikely) best draw, (very likely) best hand at this point (somewhat likely) spiking an A or a K to win is somewhere in there too. I definately felt as though I had more then a 33% equity in that pot.

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In that case, would capping the flop be an option? Or is your edge too small to cap, in favor of waiting until your edge is larger (i.e. when its 90% or so when you turn or river the nut flush)

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I considered it, but then realized that my edge wasn't that big. I think calling was the right move to a 3 bet.

deepsquat

04-07-2005, 08:54 PM

If the 3rd heart fell on the river and MP1 lead the river how far would you bet? If u raised and he 3 bet would u cap?

macdaddy991

04-07-2005, 08:55 PM

I'de probably raise and call a 3 bet.

jaxUp

04-07-2005, 08:58 PM

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If the 3rd heart fell on the river and MP1 lead the river how far would you bet? If u raised and he 3 bet would u cap?

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I'm less likely to cap the 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif or 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif, but I would likely cap the others.