ThrillFactor
04-06-2005, 05:33 PM
Knocked myself out about 15 from the money this past Sunday in the FullTilt $75K.
I had right at 10BB after posting the SB with JTo.
CO+1 (who has about a 15BB stack) makes a standard 3x steal raise.
Because of table breakups, I had been in this seat for less than an orbit. He doesn't know me, I don't know him.
I push and he went into the tank for so long that I had decided he was going to fold. He ended up calling with a hand that really surprised me and I'm done.
So the general question I have goes something like this:
Obviously if you've been playing with a very aggressive "stealer" for a while and he routinely goes for it every time the action is folded to him, that's a prime target to play back at.
Conversely, If you've watched an OP fold everything for the last 5 orbits, you probably really don't want to tangle with him in a re-steal situation.
But what about the average opponent? Or, as in this case, the unknown that you can only assume comes in somewhere about average until proven otherwise?
At this stage of the average $100+ buy-in online tourney, can you assume that the unknown "average" player is making steal raises and has the ability to laydown to someone that plays back? Or, are there still enough weak players left who, after raising even with a questionable hand, refuse to let go for a re-raise that will severely cripple their stack if they lose?
Those are the general questions, now for the specifics:
Situation as outlined above - you are in SB with 10BB after posting, CO+1 raises 3x with 12BB behind.
Given no read on CO+1, what is your minimum hand to resteal with? Please respond with Ax, pairs, suited connectors, and off-suit connectors.
And, if you are CO+1, in this normal steal situation, what is your minimum hand to call SB's push? Same as above, break it down please.
I had right at 10BB after posting the SB with JTo.
CO+1 (who has about a 15BB stack) makes a standard 3x steal raise.
Because of table breakups, I had been in this seat for less than an orbit. He doesn't know me, I don't know him.
I push and he went into the tank for so long that I had decided he was going to fold. He ended up calling with a hand that really surprised me and I'm done.
So the general question I have goes something like this:
Obviously if you've been playing with a very aggressive "stealer" for a while and he routinely goes for it every time the action is folded to him, that's a prime target to play back at.
Conversely, If you've watched an OP fold everything for the last 5 orbits, you probably really don't want to tangle with him in a re-steal situation.
But what about the average opponent? Or, as in this case, the unknown that you can only assume comes in somewhere about average until proven otherwise?
At this stage of the average $100+ buy-in online tourney, can you assume that the unknown "average" player is making steal raises and has the ability to laydown to someone that plays back? Or, are there still enough weak players left who, after raising even with a questionable hand, refuse to let go for a re-raise that will severely cripple their stack if they lose?
Those are the general questions, now for the specifics:
Situation as outlined above - you are in SB with 10BB after posting, CO+1 raises 3x with 12BB behind.
Given no read on CO+1, what is your minimum hand to resteal with? Please respond with Ax, pairs, suited connectors, and off-suit connectors.
And, if you are CO+1, in this normal steal situation, what is your minimum hand to call SB's push? Same as above, break it down please.