JJ

[mr magoo]

Is this line ok? or should I check on the turn with 5 people in the pot? When he on bets on river call or fold? I think villian is loose. I've lost a lot of money on 3/6 lately and I dont know if I'am the problem or I just had a couple of bad days...


Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (11.33 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (7.66 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds.

River: (9.66 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.66 BB

[rmarotti]

Raise the river.

[einbert]

I play it exactly the same.

[einbert]

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Raise the river.

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Why? Villian is either bluffing or has us beaten by a good margin. In either case a raise does us no good.

[bakku]

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Raise the river.

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that's crazy talk. why would you do that?

[rmarotti]

He doesn't have the seven and might pay off.

[KDawgCometh]

good hand

[einbert]

He very well might have the seven.

[chief444]

You need to bet the flop and turn. So good.

That river bet is such BS that you can't fold. It's a worse hand more than 10% of the time. It may be nothing more than a busted flush draw betting the scare card in the end.

[rmarotti]

I think a 7 checkraises here well more than half the time.

[einbert]

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I think a 7 checkraises here well more than half the time.

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There are a lot of players who will never checkraise a seven here, in my opinion it's probably more likely that a random player will bet out with a seven here than that will checkraise.

It makes sense too to--hero raised preflop and bet the turn and river. He could have an unimproved AK high, and some players will call a bet with that though. Very few will check it though. Actually there are a lot of players that will check behind here with such strong holdings as AA and AQ, which is even more incentive to bet out rather than checkraise.

With reads it might become a different situation, but against an unknown here I don't see how raising can possibly be right. It would have to be a very specific (and strange) read though.

Hell the guy could even have the queen, bad players do weird [censored] like that from my experience.

[bakku]

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He doesn't have the seven and might pay off.

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because he bet out instead of checking he doesn't have a 7? ok. there's also a Q on the board.

[rmarotti]

That's true and is a good reason not to take my line which, incidentally, I know is LAGtastic. I was just trying to stir up talk. I don't think a raise is absolutely the wrong move, though.