Isolation raise and postflop play

[Elbie]

No specific reads. The whole table is pretty average. Nobody standing out in any way.

Comments on all streets please. Standard?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

[rmarotti]

Fine.

[einbert]

I play it the same but I bet the river for value.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

you forgot to bet the river.

[rmarotti]

I thought this and then wondered what hands were calling that we beat. Did I experience a twilight zone moment of weak-tightness?

[ThePenguin]

Bet the river. Who knows what he'll call you down with unless you do.

[Elbie]

Can you please eloborate on why this is a river value-bet?

What worse hand would call me and what better hands would fold?

[sthief09]

start with AQ

[sthief09]

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Can you please eloborate on why this is a river value-bet?

What worse hand would call me and what better hands would fold?

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value bet has nothing to do with better hands folding. as for worse hands calling, AQ, AK, 88, 77

[rmarotti]

Yah. I suck at poker.

[Elbie]

My thougts at the time the hand was played were:

- I can never get AA, KK, QQ, TT, AJ to fold.

- I have shown maximum aggression sofar ( reraised preflop,
raised his flop-bet and lead the turn ). A call from
for example AK, AQ, 88, KQ is very unlikely.

Am I really way off here?

[rmarotti]

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My thougts at the time the hand was played were:

- I can never get AA, KK, QQ, TT, AJ to fold.


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So? Plus, you are probably not up against these hands.

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- I have shown maximum aggression sofar ( reraised preflop,
raised his flop-bet and lead the turn ). A call from
KQ is sort of unlikely.


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fixed your post.

[einbert]

[ QUOTE ]
My thougts at the time the hand was played were:

- I can never get AA, KK, QQ, TT, AJ to fold.

- I have shown maximum aggression sofar ( reraised preflop,
raised his flop-bet and lead the turn ). A call from
for example AK, AQ, 88, KQ is very unlikely.

Am I really way off here?

[/ QUOTE ]

I think the key here is: How often do you have the worst hand?

And the answer is: not often at all.

If your opponent turned over a worse hand, you would be obligated to bet for value. I don't see how this situation is too much different.

[Elbie]

Ok guys. It seems to be the view of everyone that I should have betted the river.

Maybe the "problem"? with my line of thinking is that I too often try to put myself in my opponents shoes?

In his shoes I would have folded 88 on the turn. I would have called a river bet with all overpairs, TT, AJ and possibly AK. I would have folded to a river bet with AQ, KQ and worse holdings.

( But I would also have played AA, KK, QQ totally differently postflop /images/graemlins/wink.gif)

[Elbie]

Maybe not so interesting but Villain showed TT and MHING