Not making the proper adjustments? 60K hands PT stat help

[LImitPlayer]

Anyone else not able to make the proper adjustments when going from a full ring game to the 6 max games? Is it similiar to some not being able to make the adjustments when going from NL to limit or vice versa?

Is it a different skill set? Let me explain:

After 350K hands of 8 tabling the 2-4 and 3-6 (200K hands at 2-4 and 150K hands at 3-6) I made the jump to the 5-10
games.

After debating for a bit I decided to play 5-10 6 max instead of the 5-10 full. I figured that the 5-10 6 max would probably be more profitable based on what I have read on these forums over the past year.

The only previous experience I have had at the 6-max games was about 25k Hands at the 1-2 6 max.

I did not play 8 tables of the 5-10 6 max, I started out with 2 tables and after a week added a 3rd and then 1 week later added a 4th.

It is now 60K hands later and my BB/100 hands is a whopping
-.63 BB/100 hands.

This is compared to a BB/100 of 2.98 at the 2-4 and 2.37 at the 3-6 while 8 tabling.

I guess my question is WTF am I doing wrong?

Here are my Pt stats for the 60K hands of 5-10 6 max

VPIP -23.89%
VPIPSB- 23.58
Folded Sb to steal 86.05
Folded BB to Steal 51.06
Att to Steal Blinds 28.90
Went to Sd 39.08
Won $ at SD 38.74
PF Raise % 13.74

Aggresion Flop- 2.32
Turn- 2.04
River 1.98


The one immediate # That I should be worried about is my Won $ at SD. That is depressing. Anyone else see any other glaring holes?

I am tempted to chalk this dismal BB/100 hands to a bad run of cards, but this is over 60K hands not 5k or 10K.

Bankroll is not an issue for me as I have the banroll to play in much higher games. I am not playing badly due to the fact it is a higher limit and the bets are higher. I play live for much higher limits than 5-10.

I considered the possibilty that 5-10 6 max is to difficult for me to beat but I dismissed that notion due to a couple of reasons. ( I am open to the possibilty that I am wrong)

I play 20-40 and 30-60 live and can succesfully beat those games.
I doubt I can go from being a 2+BB/100 winner 8 tabling to a loser playing less tables at the next limit up.

I do not believe that I am being outplayed and the limit is to hard for me to tackle (but I am open to the possibility)

I think I may move to the 5-10 full games

Suggestions and help would sure be appreciated!

[sthief09]

you're not raising enough preflop. your won at showdown is abysmal. that's gotta be a typo, right?

[LImitPlayer]

No, sadly thats not a typo.

Compare that to my 56% at 2-4 at 54% at 3-6 and I don't know what happened to my game.

What should my preflop raise % be around? at the 2-4 it was 7.42% and the 3-6 was 9.02%

[Justin A]

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Won $ at SD 38.74

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That's awful. Are you ever ever ever folding? You can't call down with king high every hand.

[MicroBob]

Agreed that the W$SD is just plain bizarro.


Maybe a weird combination of calling down WAY too much and also betting so fast when you do catch something that your winning hands don't make it to showdown that much (not extracting enough bets).

I'm really not sure what to make of that number.


I think VP-23 and PFR-17 or so would be more like it.
Of late I'm in the 23/18 range....but I think 20/16 is okay too...
it's usually a matter of declining a couple of borderline steal attempts which sometimes just depends on how I think I'm perceived at the table and/or just my mood and recent success in heads-up and blind-steal situations.


a PFR that low indicates quite a bit of open-limping.....which you just shouldn't be doing very much of. Many of the hands that you aren't raising you are probably missing value on.


i'm still getting my feet wet at 6-max so my ideas may or may not be correct.


you should be good enough to beat these games. You see some of the V-70, R-40 clowns that are playing these tables...as well as some of the V-14, R-4 passive-rocks that are probably even easier to beat than the maniacs.


Obviously break-even after 60k hands isn't the end of the world (sure beats being -2BB/100) but that W$SD stat is just plain goofy.

[Jeff W]

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Won $ at SD 38.74

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You are living in a Kafka novel. You are my hero for playing 60,000 hands with this absurd W$SD.