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BigBaitsim (milo)

04-05-2005, 10:52 PM

I tried to select a number of unimproved AK hands. I won some of these, lost others. I feel like I'm not applying pressure when I should, and also not backing off when beat. Other than being unimproved, these are selected (mostly) at random.

Hand #1

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

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Hand #2

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, Button calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

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Hand #3

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

Turn: (6.70 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.70 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB

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Hand #4

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.20 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB

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Hand #5

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (6.70 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.70 BB

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Hand #6

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, UTG calls, Hero raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG calls, UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

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Hand #7

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. MP posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls, MP (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Button raises, SB folds, Hero folds...

Alobar

04-05-2005, 11:47 PM

phew, this is alot of work, but here we go!

Hand 1: I dont 3 bet the turn, If hes bluffing I want him to keep it up, and if hes got an 8 I want to save bets.

Hand2: You can prolly check fold here, but if you have a read he will bluff thenI call. He isnt calling your bet with anything you beat here, and he isnt folding anything you cant beat. So a bet does you no good.

Hand3: Bet the turn, take the free showdown

Hand4: Fold the turn. You dont have the best hand, and you dont have the odds to draw for 6 outs, and you might not have a full 6 outs

Hand5: I actually prolly bet the river here, you will get called by worse aces. I dont think checking is bad tho

Hand6: uhm, I think you messed something up in the HH /images/graemlins/smile.gif I would check behind tho

Hand7: I prolly just go ahead and bet the flop, but since you didnt, I fold here as well.

Trix

04-05-2005, 11:53 PM

1) just call down the turnraise, he often has it here and when he doesnt you would like him to bluff the river.

2) this is tougher, there will be several ways to play this depending on reads. without any, this is fine. Check-calling the river may be better though.

3) This is just weird, I dont get it really. Call, call, call is probably better.

4) I hate when i get 3bet after raising here. I think you can fold the turn.

5) very player dependant, sometimes you can valuebet it. Checking is the standard line.

6) that some kinky river action..

7) fine, sometimes bet the flop.

Alobar

04-05-2005, 11:57 PM

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1) just call down the turnraise, he often has it here and when he doesnt you would like him to bluff the river.

2) this is tougher, there will be several ways to play this depending on reads. without any, this is fine. Check-calling the river may be better though.

3) This is just weird, I dont get it really. Call, call, call is probably better.

4) I hate when i get 3bet after raising here. I think you can fold the turn.

5) very player dependant, sometimes you can valuebet it. Checking is the standard line.

6) that some kinky river action..

7) fine, sometimes bet the flop.

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geez Trix, way to just take everything I said and reword it to make it look like you did some work!! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Kasumeat

04-06-2005, 01:20 AM

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Hand3: Bet the turn, take the free showdown

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Really?

I don't think we're going to get AK to fold here nearly often enough for this to be worth it for all the times we're up against AA KK QQ JJ TT.

MicroBob

04-06-2005, 05:57 AM

hand 3 - when you fire that next bet on the turn after that 2nd 9 appears on the board you can chase away many opponents imo.
if he's gutsy enough to C/R back at you without a 9 and force you to fold then so be it. But I think there's a good enough chance you can take it right there.

Alobar

04-06-2005, 05:35 PM

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Hand3: Bet the turn, take the free showdown

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Really?

I don't think we're going to get AK to fold here nearly often enough for this to be worth it for all the times we're up against AA KK QQ JJ TT.

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I can buy that, but if hero checks this turn, it should be with the intention of folding the river unimproved. If you are going to call a river bet, betting the turn and then checking behind on the river is a much better play.

Grisgra

04-06-2005, 05:56 PM

Hand #1 -- without a good read, this is a horrible turn 3-bet IMO.

Hand #2 -- check behind on the river, you might get a free showdown against 99 or TT. I think you're screwed. He's calling you down and it's a very undrawy board. Definite argument for check/folding the river or checking the turn IMO.

Hand #3 -- no reads? None? Ugh. Well, at least you got a cheap showdown. Against a lot of players you can fold the river.

Hand #4 -- okay I guess.

Hand #5 -- okay.

Hand #6 -- That's some pretty weird action on that river! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hand #7 -- I might fire out on the flop here, but I don't think this is too bad. Definitely don't want to call two back to you.

And before someone criticizes you -- I think it's fine to post a bunch of hands at once like you did here, as long as there's an obvious common thread (as there was here).

Kasumeat

04-07-2005, 03:46 AM

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I can buy that, but if hero checks this turn, it should be with the intention of folding the river unimproved. If you are going to call a river bet, betting the turn and then checking behind on the river is a much better play.

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I think you're probably right....

But I have the nagging feeling that there's still some merit to checking this turn. Over-aggressive players will bluff with worse overcards here 90% of the time they have 'em.

Probably not often enough though.