POSITIVE EV? math experts needed

[johnny005]

In this situation lets say I'm playing these cards mostly for set, two pair and straight value.... I'm not likely to cary this to the end with top pair.... Should I be playing this here if I'm pretty sure I can get away from the hand if need be?.. Also By playing these hands am I give up prescious Fold Equity?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t630)
Hero (t845)
CO (t775)
Button (t715)
SB (t1220)
BB (t1110)
UTG (t1025)
UTG+1 (t755)
UTG+2 (t515)
MP1 (t410)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t30</font>, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, Hero folds, SB folds.

Turn: (t240) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t30</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t100</font>, BB calls t70.

River: (t440) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t200</font>, BB calls t170.

Final Pot: t840

[Apathy]

When I read the subject line of your post I had a feeling that a proper reply would really not need math at all.

Yet another good 2+2 "read" /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Fold K10o PF in lev 1-3 it is a trash hand.

[bones]

I'm not a math expert, but playing this crap once or twice a round, even in the most passive games, is terribly bad given the short-stacked sng structure.

[Irieguy]

You don't need a math expert for these hands. It's the clearest preflop fold in SNG poker.

You would be better off to limp with 7-9s than K-T, if your goal is to pray for the 3% of the time you flop 2-pair or better. But it should be clear that you don't want to take 4 to 1 or so pot odds with maybe 10 to 1 implied odds on a hand that will make an acceptable hand in your mind only a few percent of the time.

If you were to make a list of places where your money was going, these hands would be second only behind the vig.

Irieguy

[John Hurst]

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In this situation lets say I'm playing these cards mostly for set, two pair and straight value....

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Any 2 cards have this value. K10 is trash. Fold.

[johnny005]

I agree, wasn't actually my hand just wanted to get some answers on it. thanks guys

[John Hurst]

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I agree, wasn't actually my hand just wanted to get some answers on it. thanks guys

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Sure. Backtrack with the old, "It was .. uhh.. a friend of mine who played this hand" kind of like "Hey Doc, I've got a friend who has a burning sensation. What should he do?" Just kidding, I'm sure some people will get some help from this thread.

[johnny005]

good one.. ok i'll take the credit for this horrible play.......say thanks for taking the heat on this one... FRIEND!

[pokerlaw]

What I dislike about hands like K 10 are that even if you hit two pair, you are dealing w the players that call w QJ. Its just an ugly situation. Fold. limp in that position w lower pok pairs for set value or suited connectors like 67, 78, even 79 even now and then, but NOT too often (once every level or so - but I play on PStars, where calls like this are a lot easier on your stack - on Party, muck hands I described a lot more often)