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Scuba Chuck

04-05-2005, 05:33 PM

<font color="blue"> I pulled out ten hands of my recent big stack bubble play. I had done a good job of bullying to get into this position, but I sort of got "stuck" on how to extract more chips from here forward, without knocking anybody out.

I'm very interested if there were any moves I missed, and any thoughts you might have on each hand. </font>

#Game No : 1848992423
***** Hand History for Game 1848992423 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:01:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $1171 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $4575 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $938 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ 2h As ]
>You have options at Table 11607 Table!.
sully221 folds.
SCUBA CHUCK is all-In [4575]
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
cxj98 folds.
Toofyhead folds.
SCUBA CHUCK does not show cards.
SCUBA CHUCK wins 5175 chips
Game #1848993384 starts.

#Game No : 1848993384
***** Hand History for Game 1848993384 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:01:35 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $1171 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5175 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $738 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $916 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ Js Td ]
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
cxj98 folds.
Toofyhead raises [700].
>You have options at Table 11607 Table!.
sully221 folds.
Toofyhead does not show cards.
Toofyhead wins 1300 chips
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
Game #1848994201 starts.

#Game No : 1848994201
***** Hand History for Game 1848994201 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:01:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $771 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5175 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $738 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ 7c 6h ]
cxj98 folds.
Toofyhead folds.
sully221 folds.
SCUBA CHUCK does not show cards.
SCUBA CHUCK wins 600 chips
Game #1848994761 starts.

#Game No : 1848994761
***** Hand History for Game 1848994761 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:02:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $571 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5375 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $738 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ 6s 8h ]
Toofyhead folds.
sully221 folds.
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
>You have options at Table 11607 Table!.
cxj98 does not show cards.
cxj98 wins 600 chips
Game #1848995605 starts.

#Game No : 1848995605
***** Hand History for Game 1848995605 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:02:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $571 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5175 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $938 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ Qc 7d ]
sully221 folds.
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
cxj98 folds.
Toofyhead does not show cards.
Toofyhead wins 600 chips
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
Game #1848996190 starts.

#Game No : 1848996190
***** Hand History for Game 1848996190 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:02:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $571 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5175 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $738 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1516 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ 7c 2d ]
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
cxj98 folds.
Toofyhead folds.
sully221 does not show cards.
sully221 wins 600 chips
Game #1848996880 starts.

#Game No : 1848996880
***** Hand History for Game 1848996880 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:02:42 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $771 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5175 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $738 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ Ah 5s ]
cxj98 folds.
Toofyhead folds.
sully221 folds.
SCUBA CHUCK does not show cards.
SCUBA CHUCK wins 600 chips
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
Game #1848997465 starts.

#Game No : 1848997465
***** Hand History for Game 1848997465 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:02:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $571 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5375 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $738 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ 4c 7d ]
cxj98: this is fun
Toofyhead folds.
sully221 folds.
>You have options at Table 11607 Table!.
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
cxj98 does not show cards.
cxj98 wins 600 chips
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
Game #1848998737 starts.

#Game No : 1848998737
***** Hand History for Game 1848998737 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:8 Blinds(250/500) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:03:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $571 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5175 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $938 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:8
Blinds(250/500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ 2c 2s ]
sully221 is all-In [571]
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
cxj98 folds.
>You have options at Table 11607 Table!.
Toofyhead calls [71].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 8s, 5c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
sully221 shows [ 6s, 6c ] two pairs, tens and eights.
Toofyhead shows [ 6d, 4s ] two pairs, tens and eights.
sully221 wins 696 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and eights.
Toofyhead wins 696 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and eights.
Game #1848999733 starts.

#Game No : 1848999733
***** Hand History for Game 1848999733 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:8 Blinds(250/500) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:03:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $696 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5175 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $688 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1441 )
Trny:11033198 Level:8
Blinds(250/500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ 3c 6c ]
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
cxj98 folds.
Toofyhead calls [250].
>You have options at Table 11607 Table!.
sully221 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, 6d, 4d ]
Toofyhead bets [500].
sully221 is all-In [196]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
Toofyhead shows [ 6h, Qs ] a pair of sixes.
sully221 shows [ 2h, Th ] a pair of twos.
sully221 finished in fourth place.
Toofyhead wins 304 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of sixes.
Toofyhead wins 1392 chips from the main pot with a pair of sixes.
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>You have options at Table 11607 Table!.
sully221 has left the table.

joeboe2001

04-05-2005, 05:40 PM

I know you are a pretty smart guy, so there must be a reason. Why would you be concerned about knocking other players out?

The Yugoslavian

04-05-2005, 05:47 PM

How about pushing the Q7o hand? Also, what about pushing the 22 hand? Many/most players at this level don't really realize they can call here and still get 3rd easily due to having the bigger stack going in.

Only things I'd do differently I think from a quick look...

Yugoslav

The Yugoslavian

04-05-2005, 05:56 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I know you are a pretty smart guy, so there must be a reason. Why would you be concerned about knocking other players out?

[/ QUOTE ]

He wants to capitalize on the 'medium' stacks' tightness and steal their blinds until they're all so short it will be pointless (ideal outcome). No one here wants to bust in 4th. If you notice, they're walking the blinds to Scuba every time I think....this will keep happening as long as two players feel they can outlast the third....

Yugoslav

Apathy

04-05-2005, 05:58 PM

#Game No : 1848994761
***** Hand History for Game 1848994761 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:02:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $571 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5375 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $738 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ 6s 8h ]
Toofyhead folds.
sully221 folds.
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
>You have options at Table 11607 Table!.
cxj98 does not show cards.
cxj98 wins 600 chips
Game #1848995605 starts.

PUsh this...cxj can fold his way past the blinds but sully can not so cxj will fold a lot of hands here if the are smart...and doubling them up is not a big deal.

#Game No : 1848995605
***** Hand History for Game 1848995605 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:02:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $571 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5175 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $938 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ Qc 7d ]
sully221 folds.
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
cxj98 folds.
Toofyhead does not show cards.
Toofyhead wins 600 chips
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
Game #1848996190 starts.

Super easy push

#Game No : 1848997465
***** Hand History for Game 1848997465 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:7 Blinds(200/400) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:02:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $571 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5375 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $738 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:7
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ 4c 7d ]
cxj98: this is fun
Toofyhead folds.
sully221 folds.
>You have options at Table 11607 Table!.
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
cxj98 does not show cards.
cxj98 wins 600 chips
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
Game #1848998737 starts.

Same as 1st hand I posted..push here too

#Game No : 1848998737
***** Hand History for Game 1848998737 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:11033198 Level:8 Blinds(250/500) - Tuesday, April 05, 15:03:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11645 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: sully221 ( $571 )
Seat 3: SCUBA CHUCK ( $5175 )
Seat 6: cxj98 ( $938 )
Seat 8: Toofyhead ( $1316 )
Trny:11033198 Level:8
Blinds(250/500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK [ 2c 2s ]
sully221 is all-In [571]
SCUBA CHUCK folds.
cxj98 folds.
>You have options at Table 11607 Table!.
Toofyhead calls [71].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 8s, 5c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
>You have options at Table 11226 Table!.
sully221 shows [ 6s, 6c ] two pairs, tens and eights.
Toofyhead shows [ 6d, 4s ] two pairs, tens and eights.
sully221 wins 696 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and eights.
Toofyhead wins 696 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and eights.
Game #1848999733 starts.

This one I'm not as sure about but I think push is best.

As you can see I'm a little crazy on the bubble, and I think you need to open up with the big stack a little more, force one player to play for second and have the other two play for third while building your stack.

Scuba Chuck

04-05-2005, 06:31 PM

Apathy, I was pushing pretty much all the hands up to this point. But thanks for the input. I think I tightened up too much here at the end. I guess my real objective was to just isolate Toofyhead, and let the others slide for the moment.

Is that one your mind at all. That most of the extra chip extraction is just from Toofyhead, or is there more from the other two?

curtains

04-05-2005, 06:57 PM

I looked at the first few hands and I know I'd push with the JTo and also for sure with the 86o. The BB might fold because the other shortstack will be forced allin at some point.

curtains

04-05-2005, 06:59 PM

Scuba I think you should be playing a little more aggressive here, and worry a bit less about keeping everyone in. There are a few spots where Id always have pushed that you folded, including the ones that were mentioned above by Apathy.