$1-2 raising with 77-88 UTG

[Sponger15SB]

I've been trying to use really good table selection since I've started 6-max (which doesn't matter cause I suck and am getting murdered), anyways when I raise UTG with these hands something like this usually happens because I usually only sit at table with like an average VPIP of 50+, and most of the players will call to the river with anything in hopes of catching something

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (11 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>,

Anyways, in a game that is this terrible, would I just be better off limping with these hands because 1) the board is likely to be overcards and with 3-4 oppoents i'm screwed 2) even if it was a good board for me, i'd probably be outdrawn anyways and should just play it for set value

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

[SomethingClever]

I raise 88 UTG every time, but limp 77.

This is at 1/2 as well.

Seems to work for me... I usually don't get 5 coldcallers, though!

[Trix]

fold the first.

I dont see anything wrong with limping if everyone is going to play anyway if you arent comfortable postflop, your equity edge probably isnt that great anyway out of position.

[Chizoad]

99 I would almost always raise here, but in that position in that type of game 88 I think is a limp, as is 77. Your preflop equity is fairly marginal, and you'll never know if you're good unless you flop a set.

I think the preflop play of these hands also depends on how long these guys persist postflop. If several of them are willing to dump their hand on the flop, then raising with 88 is ok. But these guys suck. They'll look at the pot size and not fold to the river. So unless *you* are capable of folding on an imperfect flop, don't raise utg.

The problem is thinking about these hands in a rigid way. Think about the intrinsic value of the hand given the situation. I can come up with game types where I'd call, raise, or fold 88 utg.

Chiz

[Transference]

I raise both these hands

[Victor]

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1-2 raising with 77-88 UTG

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yes

[Entity]

Both of the raises are fine. Fold the flop in #1.

[NLSoldier]

I always raise 66 and sometimes 55 utg as well.