2005 WSOP ME

[jah0550]

Does anyone know when this is? Also, when will it be on TV? If they didn't cap the number of entries, how many people would sign up? 10,000?

[betgo]

I don't think there is a cap. I think they are expecting 5000-6000. I think there may be less than that, but definately more than last years 2600.

[zaxx19]

There is a cap like 6500 or something. They will reach it.

PS by itself might send 20% of that.

[jah0550]

Are you sure that they aren't capping it? I thought I read somewhere that they are only allowing 6,000 players this year.

[betgo]

Too bad it's capped. I think it would be more interesting to let everyone in.

[SossMan]

fwiw, last year was 'capped' at 2000.

[italianstang]

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fwiw, last year was 'capped' at 2000.

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The so-called "6600" cap this year still has not really been confirmed by anyone who is in charge, I would expect no cap come gametime.

[chucksim]

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The so-called "6600" cap this year still has not really been confirmed by anyone who is in charge, I would expect no cap come gametime.

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I think they're going to have to cap it, for no reason other than logistics. This isn't online, where tables and dealers are theoretically infinite. Who's going to deal to all these tables? 2000 players a day means 200 dealers at the ready, plus more to cover breaks.

If you think the quality of dealers at your local room has gone down lately since they've had to hire so many new ones, imagine the number of inexperienced dealers that will HAVE to be here.

Without a cap, how many "Day One's" will they need? They appear to have three scheduled. Any more will just be crazy. Can you imagine playing on day one and getting short-chipped, but moving on, only to have to stick around for another three or four days, before you can play your second round and likely get knocked out early?

What I'd like to know...if it does wind up getting capped, are all of these online satellite qualifier's entries guaranteed by the WSOP to get in?

Can you imagine PS or UB or some smaller "satellite provider" not being able to get all of their qualifiers entered because it sold out sooner than they expected? How about pros or others who are just buying in directly getting locked out for the same reason? Unless they're able to pull off the "no cap" deal, something like this is going to happen and I bet some notable names will get shut out.

No matter how you look at it, I think this is going to be a logistical nightmare for Harrah's/WSOP. If they pull it off without major glitches, my hat's off to them.

[whiskeytown]

I haven't heard it from Matt Savage, but Howard Lederer confirmed it for me during a Full Tilt tourney last week that there was gonna be a cap - (I heard 6600, and he said that was right)

RB

[Jurollo]

I have heard 6600 as well. If you look at the schedule for the ME you will see they are only allowing room for 2200 each of the 3 Day #1s.
~Justin

[mosquito]

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I have heard 6600 as well. If you look at the schedule for the ME you will see they are only allowing room for 2200 each of the 3 Day #1s.
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And that may be with 11 per table to start....

[jstnrgrs]

If it's capped, then that means the buy-in isn't high enough.

[MrMon]

I'm wondering if this is the last year for the $10K buyin. There are $25K tourneys now, and the equivalent of $10,000 1970 dollars is around $50,000 2005 dollars.

I'm curious what the pros think. Do they want to take back their tournament by raising the buy-in? And if so, to what amount?

[jstnrgrs]

I think they aought to decide an amount of players that they would like to have (I think about 500 would be good), and set the buy-in the get that many. With the current popularity of poker, that might meen a buy-in of $100,000. (I'm figuring that 10 times the buy-in means 1/10 the players. Of course that's not exactly right, but you get the idea.)

[slickpoppa]

I think 25K is reasonable. I don't think the point of the WSOP should be to attract as many fish as possible. Pros can clean up against fish in casinos every other day of the year. There should be some balance between giving the average Joe's a shot, and maintaining the prestige of the event.

[Smoothcall]

Where and when is this?

[betgo]

I prefer it the way it is with all the dead money. I want to have the experience of playing in the WSOP. I am as good as Moneymaker, Varkonyi, and Furlong, so the way it is now I figure I am close to EV even.

I really think it is good that all these dead money players get the exciting experience. I think a lot of pro and semipro players enjoy playing in this kind of event also. If it were as difficult as most of the other $10K -$25K events, they probably couldn't justify going.

[Bremen]

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I'm wondering if this is the last year for the $10K buyin. There are $25K tourneys now, and the equivalent of $10,000 1970 dollars is around $50,000 2005 dollars.

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Part of the allure is the large crowd and large prize pool. Most people don't think of the buyin ammount when thinking of the ME, they think of the $5 million, or the 2600 people you have to wade through to get there. I think raising the buyin ammount would hurt the tournament more than help it. Sure it might raise the prize pool, but it would definitly lower the attendence. Seeing Joe Smoe win it is far more enthralling then seeing the same pro's all the time. It draws people into the game, where if you see the same pro's all the time one gets the idea they need to be a pro to play, thus hurting the pro's in the long run.

[MrMon]

I don't think anyone is talking about going back to 500 entries. But we're talking about 6000+ this year, which is simply unmanagable. Not to mention it seems like there could be more if they didn't cap it. The only way to get it back to a "reasonable" 2600 is to raise the entry fee. (And as little as 2 years ago, they would have laughed at the idea that 2600 entries was reasonable.)

If it weren't so darn complex, I'd say run the 2600 entries like the Google IPO, everyone pays what the 2600th person would pay for a seat, minimum bid is $10,000.

[jstnrgrs]

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I don't think anyone is talking about going back to 500 entries. But we're talking about 6000+ this year, which is simply unmanagable. Not to mention it seems like there could be more if they didn't cap it. The only way to get it back to a "reasonable" 2600 is to raise the entry fee. (And as little as 2 years ago, they would have laughed at the idea that 2600 entries was reasonable.)

If it weren't so darn complex, I'd say run the 2600 entries like the Google IPO, everyone pays what the 2600th person would pay for a seat, minimum bid is $10,000.

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This is a great idea, but I still think 500 is reasonable, and 2600 is not. There would still be internet qualifiers, just not so many.