Phil Hellmuth texas hold em book

[SNOWBALL138]

Here's a quick description of it from Amazon:

Now you can play and win at the world's most popular gambling card game with the help of the "Poker Brat" himself. It makes no difference if you're a novice or a serious player, gambling online, in casinos, or in a friend's basement, Hellmuth can help you elevate your game with the secrets and strategies that made him a nine-time World Champion and the #1 professional money winner of all time.



LOL. #1 Money winner of all time? Negraneau rates Phil's cash game skills at #1, that is, on a scale on 1-9!
Daniel also said that Phil is probably not a winning player in the big cash games...

Where is phil winning all this money? Maybe from the rake at ultimatebet?

[FishHooks]

I dont know why eveyone bashes Phil; he is easily one of the best players in the world, fun to watch on tv, and seems like a nice guy in person. Ever watch the poker commentary on rounders, doesn't seem like he is an ass there like TV makes him out to be. Phil on ESPN's WSOP all they show is him making as ass of himself, which he does on occasion, but they only show you an hour of phil during the whole thing when he was there for many days. It reminds me of the liberal media during the elections.

[Skipbidder]

You may enjoy watching him on TV. I don't. This may simply be a matter of personality. However, even if his TV actions are only a very small percentage of his overall actions, he is still a big-time ass. Well-adjusted human beings simply do not act the way he does. If he were one-fifth as good a player as he thinks he is, he would already be the best player in the history of poker.

[FishHooks]

Tournament wise I think he is the best player in the world, unargubally top 5. Talking about cash games, i have no idea, as most people in this forum don't.

[SNOWBALL138]

Obviously Phil is no longer a top player. He would probably even admit that. Maybe if he tried hard again, he would again perform well in tournaments. He doesn't put in the time and effort, so I suppose we can't know for sure.

The best reasons to bash Phil:

1. His book

2. His cell phone game

3. His other book.

Why is Phil unarguable in the top five?

I think the future will Show that the following players have the potential to be, or are already better tournament players than he.

1. Greenstein
2. Hansen
3. Negraneau
4. Cloutier
5. Juanda
6. Lindgren
7. Ferguson
8. Pham
9. Mortenson

As for his cash game skills, the only info I have is from Greenstein and Negraneau.

But seriously, If Sklanky, Ray Zee, Chip Reese, Greenstein, Negraneau, and Chau Giang were sitting around playing a mix of cash games, do you think that Hellmuth would win even .01 BB/hr? To call Hellmuth the #1 money winner is a totally bizarre statement, and thats all I meant by my post.

[FishHooks]

Regarding cash games I can't really say how good he is.

Talking about tournaments I still think he is the best, and easily top 5, he basically makes all the correct reads and moves and lays down many more 2nd best hands than anyone I see. I just think he gets screwed over sometimes especially playing all the non-pros in the tournaments who get lucky on him. He usually has is money in with the best hand and sometimes he happens to get unlucky but thats poker. Even though I like phil, I still dont really want to read his book, i've heard is sucks and is for real beginners.

I will admit he was an ass when Annie Duke beat him on the Tournament of Champions, she outplayed him and he just outguessed himself the whole time, which is why he is not as good of a short handed player as he is full. Allthough she got unlucky many times HU when he had top pair weak kicker, which is usually good enough in HU matches and he made some good laydowns, but her agressivemess got to him and she definatly outplayed him, made it a little easier when she got better cards though.

[JohnG]

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Tournament wise I think he is the best player in the world, unargubally top 5.

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I would argue.

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Talking about cash games, i have no idea, as most people in this forum don't.

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His cash game ability is hardly a secret.

[JohnG]

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Talking about tournaments I still think he is the best, and easily top 5, he basically makes all the correct reads and moves

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You, my friend, are deluded.

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and lays down many more 2nd best hands than anyone I see.

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He also lays down many more best hands than anyone you see.

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He usually has is money in with the best hand and sometimes he happens to get unlucky but thats poker.

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When you are so very reluctant to get all your chips in, it stands to reason you will usually have the best hand when you do eventually get it allin. This is no great skill.

[FishHooks]

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So you've played with Phil? or is this second hand knowledge about what other players have said, and from players you have never met?

Regarding what you said about him laying down the best hands, well if you never lay down the best hand your are calling way too much. I think he can read people better than anyone and he knows how to pick his spots, some situations is just not worth it.

Getting your chips in with the best of it is a great skill, many players dont know how to pick their spots and will bluff with out the best hand, Phil bluffs but he knows how to get away if he gets caught. Many poker players will all agree, one thing that sets a great player from a good players is a great player knows how to call an all in with a weak hand and move all in with a horriable hand. Many people take this too far and I think Phil picks is great at picking his spots, and he has the ability to call in all in with a marginal hand because of his great reads.

You just find it easy to bash Phil so you do it, or maybe your bitter because you think your better than Phil but yet hes the one whos the High Roller not you.

[jakethebake]

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[Rob-L]

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Obviously Phil is no longer a top player. He would probably even admit that. Maybe if he tried hard again, he would again perform well in tournaments. He doesn't put in the time and effort, so I suppose we can't know for sure.

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To call Hellmuth the #1 money winner is a totally bizarre statement, and thats all I meant by my post.

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This is easily verifable if it refers to Phil as being the #1 *Tournament* money winner.

Phil was and still is a great tournament player. Only he and Doyle Brunson have 9 WSOP bracelets, everyone else has fewer. Also, Phil just won NBC's Heads-Up tournament against some tough competition last month.

Cash games may not be his forte', but I like his chances in any tournament he plays. Also, tournaments require a different strategy and mind set than cash games. Maybe he has trouble making the shift between the two. Just like many of us have trouble.

[JohnG]

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So you've played with Phil? or is this second hand knowledge about what other players have said, and from players you have never met?

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2nd hand from some players I know and respect, and some I don't know but still respect. It's no secret. If he was any good, he'd be playing cash games more often.

Seriously, you'll survive the fact he isn't a good cash player. Don't feel threatened.

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Regarding what you said about him laying down the best hands, well if you never lay down the best hand your are calling way too much.

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And if you constantly lay down the best hand, you're folding too much.

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I think he can read people better than anyone and he knows how to pick his spots, some situations is just not worth it.

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Like folding QQ against an underpair preflop?

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You just find it easy to bash Phil so you do it, or maybe your bitter because you think your better than Phil but yet hes the one whos the High Roller not you.

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You're right, it is easy to bash Phil.

I'm not bitter. Being a good poker player means nothing to me.

Hellmuth is not a highroller. If he had to survive on his poker winnings alone, he'd be broke.

[JohnG]

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This is easily verifable if it refers to Phil as being the #1 *Tournament* money winner.

Phil was and still is a great tournament player.

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I wonder what his net tournament profit is over the years. I would guess not very high, especially when averaged out over the years.

[Rob-L]

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Hellmuth is not a highroller. If he had to survive on his poker winnings alone, he'd be broke.

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LOL - I think he's managed to survive on his poker winnings since the 80's. He hasn't started to get book deals and other product endorsement deals until the last couple of years. What do you think he was doing for money the decade before that?

Also, if Phil sucks so bad why does he get so many endorsement offers? You don't see companies offering endorsement offers to people who suck do you? How many second string NFL players get endorsement offers? Sure, Phil is a very recognizable character, but so are many other poker players but you don't see them with deals. His skill got him his recognition.

[Rob-L]

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I wonder what his net tournament profit is over the years. I would guess not very high, especially when averaged out over the years.

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What has that got to do with him making the claim of being the #1 Tournament money winner?

[JohnG]

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Hellmuth is not a highroller. If he had to survive on his poker winnings alone, he'd be broke.

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LOL - I think he's managed to survive on his poker winnings since the 80's.

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He was broke a few years ago. But that isn't unique in tournament poker.

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What do you think he was doing for money the decade before that?

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Relying on his wifes earnings and backers.

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Also, if Phil sucks so bad why does he get so many endorsement offers?

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He made a name for himself when he won his tournies. But you'd have to ask Doyle for the main reason he started getting all those endorsements. He certainly needed them.

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You don't see companies offering endorsement offers to people who suck do you?

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Yes. The correlation between fame and ability is not necessarily that high when it comes to tournament poker.

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How many second string NFL players get endorsement offers?

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Totally different.

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Sure, Phil is a very recognizable character, but so are many other poker players but you don't see them with deals. His skill got him his recognition.

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His results got him recognition. Doyle got him endorsements initially. Though now poker is booming, he'd probably get the endorsements anyway.

All in my opinion of course.

[JohnG]

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I wonder what his net tournament profit is over the years. I would guess not very high, especially when averaged out over the years.

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What has that got to do with him making the claim of being the #1 Tournament money winner?

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Eh? Are you saying net profit has nothing to do with the claim of being the number 1 tournament money winner? It doesn't matter if you've won 2 million in tournaments, but paid out 3 million in entries?

[Rob-L]

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I wonder what his net tournament profit is over the years. I would guess not very high, especially when averaged out over the years.

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What has that got to do with him making the claim of being the #1 Tournament money winner?

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Eh? Are you saying net profit has nothing to do with the claim of being the number 1 tournament money winner? It doesn't matter if you've won 2 million in tournaments, but paid out 3 million in entries?

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To make the claim, yes that is correct - it doesn't matter.

[FishHooks]

Damn he is one big conspiricy theorist, who thinks he knows everything. Oh well maybe one day you will be as good as Phil, atually I shouldn't be giving you false hopes like that sorry.

Also are you saying you woudln't take the endorsement and books deals? I think it shows how smart he really is and how to collect even more money. Phil is one of the best players in the world, stop trying to deny that!!!

[JohnG]

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To make the claim, yes that is correct - it doesn't matter.

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Well, I suppose I agree. My comment was to point out what a meaningless and misleading claim it can be.

[JohnG]

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Damn he is one big conspiricy theorist, who thinks he knows everything.

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I know my opinion about Hellmuth and I believe it is more accurate than yours. How that translates into me believing in a big conspiracy and my thinking I know everything is beyond me. I know what I know.

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Oh well maybe one day you will be as good as Phil, atually I shouldn't be giving you false hopes like that sorry.

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Do you actually read what I post before you reply?

I have no real hopes to be any good at poker. It's just not important. I have no hopes to emulate or compete with hellmuth. I would consider it pretty sad if that was the aim of my life.

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Also are you saying you woudln't take the endorsement and books deals?

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Of course I would take them. I have no problem with him taking them. More power to him. He earnt and deserved them. I wish him every success. But what's that got to do with his ability in cash games?

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I think it shows how smart he really is and how to collect even more money. Phil is one of the best players in the world, stop trying to deny that!!

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Lol. OK. You're definitely a WUM.

[FishHooks]

What is a WUM is that a one of your nerdy online terms, like pnwed? Also your the one who braught up the edorsement deals not I. If you dont have any aspiriations as being good at poker why do you read this forum? Or do you just have nothing better to do?

[SNOWBALL138]

#1 tournament money winner?
That is not currently true.

If we were looking for overall tournament cashes, that would be Cloutier or someone else. For WSOP money winner, its Raymer.

[FishHooks]

Allthought Raymer won one big one, i bet Jonny Chan, Phil Hellmuth, and some of the other pros like maybe Harrington have won more money, becausethey play more than just the main event. I dont think Raymer has won the most in the WSOP

[miajag81]

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I dont think Raymer has won the most in the WSOP

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Yes, he has. He won $5 million. #2 on the all-time list is like $3 million i think.

[royaltrux]

Johnny Chan also has 9 braclets

[royaltrux]

he is talking about cumulative not in one shot.

[k_squared]

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Phil was and still is a great tournament player. Only he and Doyle Brunson have 9 WSOP bracelets, everyone else has fewer. Also, Phil just won NBC's Heads-Up tournament against some tough competition last month.

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GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT...

Actually Johnny Chan has also won 9 bracelets... and an interesting thing to note is that all of Phil's come from Hold'em while both Doyle and Johnny have won theirs in a variety of games... take what you want from that...

Also, there at least 3 people who have won 3 bracelets in a single year, and neither Doyle, Phil or Johnny have accomplished that! They are Pug Pearson, Ted Forrest and Phil Ivey.

Also, determing skill by how much money you have won is not a very accurate measure. Greg Raymer won a single tournament and has more in WSOP tournament earnings than both Johnny and Phil by aroun 1.5 million... Which isn't to say Greg Raymer isn't a great player, but winning 9 bracelets is a completely different ball game than winning a single main event.

-k_squared

[miajag81]

so was i

[FishHooks]

i guarantee there has been someoen that has made more than 3 million, because there are like 21 events. I believe Phil has won nine bracelets, he easily has to be over 3 million.

[FishHooks]

agreed, I dont think Raymer or Moneymaker should even be mentioned in the same sentence as Chan or Hellmuth.

[sexypanda]

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agreed, I dont think Raymer or Moneymaker should even be mentioned in the same sentence as Chan or Hellmuth.

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Umm.. you just mentioned them in the same sentence.

[jakethebake]

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agreed, I dont think Raymer or Moneymaker should even be mentioned in the same sentence as Chan or Hellmuth.

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Umm.. you just mentioned them in the same sentence.

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Ni Han

[jakethebake]

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i guarantee there has been someoen that has made more than 3 million, because there are like 21 events. I believe Phil has won nine bracelets, he easily has to be over 3 million.

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You do realize that before the last couple of years, the prize pools were much smaller? With that said, if I remember right, before 2004, Hellmuth was #1, followed by Chan and Cloutier, and then Moneymaker.

[miajag81]

You are right, Hellmuth is #2 with 3.6 million. A couple others are also above 3 million. But Fossilman is #1 on the all-time list.

WSOP Millionaires (http://www.pokerpages.com/pokerinfo/tournamentgallery/wsop/wsop-millionaires2004.htm)

[coleco]

I love Hellmuth , I wish he was on WPT and other poker tv than just the WSOP !

[royaltrux]

so does he.

[StevieWonder]

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Also, if Phil sucks so bad why does he get so many endorsement offers? You don't see companies offering endorsement offers to people who suck do you?

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Two words: Anna Kournikova.

[Your Mom]

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Also, if Phil sucks so bad why does he get so many endorsement offers? You don't see companies offering endorsement offers to people who suck do you?

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Two words: Anna Kournikova.

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No, I don't think people find Phil particularly attractive.