what to do when you miss the flop vs. microbet

[KidV]

I need some help here. How should I have played this?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t855)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t770)
MP1 (t770)
MP2 (t755)
MP3 (t775)
Hero (t815)
Button (t775)
SB (t885)
BB (t800)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t85, MP3 calls t85.

Flop: (t355) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t15</font>, MP3 calls t15, Hero calls t15.

Turn: (t400) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t150</font>, MP3 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t550

[pooh74]

How would recommend playing it differently? I dont see how...You have great odds to call on the flop, just keep in mind u could be drawing dead (ive seen ppl call big raise like that PF with JQs at many buyin levels). On the turn, its a clear laydown...PF raise seemed good. Perfectly playe dhand IMO

[Sam T.]

Ideally, I'd say raise the flop to represent a set of queens. It will be tough for anyone to call without a queen, so if someone actually has it, they will let you know. (Here is why I hate Party's stacks. I want to raise t200, but that's a big chunk of your stack on a semi-bluff.) As it stands, call is good, as is the fold.

[pooh74]

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Ideally, I'd say raise the flop to represent a set of queens. It will be tough for anyone to call without a queen, so if someone actually has it, they will let you know. (Here is why I hate Party's stacks. I want to raise t200, but that's a big chunk of your stack on a semi-bluff.) As it stands, call is good, as is the fold.

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The problem is, if he makes a raise in proportion to the bet, it will be out of line with the pot and viewed as 1. weak, and also, 2. both will have great odds to call (t15 bet, raise to say 60-75 in a 400 pot...easy odds).

If, on the other hand, he makes a substantial raise, he has committed his tournament on an A high where he is most likely way behind here. I think he played it fine.

[Scuba Chuck]

You played it fine. Any more of your chips in the middle, and you've just seen what it means to 'turn AK into 27o.'

[Phil Van Sexton]

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Ideally, I'd say raise the flop to represent a set of queens.

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I don't think this represents a Q. People love to slowplay trips, so a raise looks like you have AJ/AA/KK/AK and want to see if someone has a Q.

[The Yugoslavian]

FWIW I think you raised too much pre-flop.

Calling the flop is fine.

Folding the turn is necessary.

Was Microbet MP1 on this hand? If so, I'm not sure I like his pre-flop play.

Yugoslav

[Texas Pete]

Limp? Whaa? Well, I have an open mind. How do you play AKos this way on level 1, with many limpers? I do just what this guy did, big raise to get heads up and then a continuation bet. Tough when you get a multiway but the times you take K7os stack when a king flops makes it work out.

[The Yugoslavian]

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K7os stack when a king flops makes it work out.

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You are much more likely to take this guy's (or someone else's) stack raising less pre-flop.

But yes, monkeys playing K7o make doing a lot of things 'work out' to some degree...

Yugoslav

[pooh74]

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FWIW I think you raised too much pre-flop.

Calling the flop is fine.

Folding the turn is necessary.

Was Microbet MP1 on this hand? If so, I'm not sure I like his pre-flop play.

Yugoslav

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I think that's a results based comment. With 4 limpers I think this raise is perfect with AK. Raising less is just building a pot with an unmade hand...big waste of chips and giving each subsequent limper (who limped originally) bigger odds to call. A 6-7BB raise will usually eliminate most/some of the crowd...raising less is equivilent to limping IMO. compared to "raising less", limping is a better option.