Red Sox = Bottom of the MLB Standings

[ChristinaB]

Just so you all know. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Vince Young]

Matsui = HR Champ

[Toro]

Bite me

[JinX11]

Fixed your thread title.

Although I can only imagine how one win must feel to Yankees fans worldwide after the worst collapse in the history of sport.

Well done.

[crownjules]

I love it. Every year in the past Red Sox fans make the statements such as "We're ahead of the Yankees now" early on in the season. My Yankee fan friends (or just Red Sox protagonists) at such times would simply say "Just wait until the end of the season and see where everyone stands then."

Yep, they're bottom of the standings. With only 161 more games to go...

[kyro]

I don't remember the last time the Sox won on Opening Day. I'm not that concerned. Also, they have won 8 of their last 9 games. The Yankees have lost 4 out of their last 5. What do you have to say to that?

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Also, they have won 8 of their last 9 games. The Yankees have lost 4 out of their last 5. What do you have to say to that?

[/ QUOTE ]typical Red Sox fan living in the past.

[Toro]

Poor salty. No team to root for in Oregon.

[ThaSaltCracka]

there is a minor league team in Portland, and I plan on going to a few games.


But, I have cable so I can watch a lot of games as well. SO basically I can root for the M's, Yankees, Nationals, Giants, Twins.... ah [censored] it, basically everyone. Baseball rules.

[Dead]

Liberal and a Red Sox hater.

One of my favorite posters.

[ChristinaB]

Still There! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Toro]

shaddup

[JinX11]

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Still World Champs! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Fixed your post / title again. Sheesh - please be more mindful. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[MMMMMM]

^

[mostsmooth]

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What do you have to say to that?

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ive seen people hit one outers, it happens every 86 years or so.

[JinX11]

Bump.

Yanks off to worst start since 1991. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250415101)

Well done!!!

[contentless]

Open ChristinaB mouth, insert ChristinaB foot.

Yanks lose again, 3 games under .500, worse than even the Devil RAAAys.

[jesusarenque]

The Yankees will miss the playoffs this year.

[Voltron87]

Want to put some money on that?

[Dead]

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Want to put some money on that?

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[jesusarenque]

Sure. Odds?

[Dead]

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Sure. Odds?

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Well, you seem to be pretty confident, so how about you give me 2 to 1? If they make it, you pay me $2 for every $1 that I bet. If they miss it, I pay you $1 for every $2 that you bet.

[bisonbison]

How about you both find some sports betting site and follow the odds the house sets?

[Dead]

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How about you both find some sports betting site and follow the odds the house sets?

[/ QUOTE ]

Are any houses still offering odds even after the season started?

[jesusarenque]

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How about you both find some sports betting site and follow the odds the house sets?

[/ QUOTE ]

This sounds good

[Voltron87]

I brought it up to prove to jesuswhatever that his opinion on whether Los Jankees will make the playoffs is incorrect, not to make a fair gamble.

[jesusarenque]

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Sure. Odds?

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Well, you seem to be pretty confident, so how about you give me 2 to 1? If they make it, you pay me $2 for every $1 that I bet. If they miss it, I pay you $1 for every $2 that you bet.

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You also sound confident.

[Voltron87]

You're the one who thinks they won't make the playoffs. What odds would you offer?

[jesusarenque]

WSEX has the odds of the Yankees winning the AL East at 1-4.

[Dead]

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WSEX has the odds of the Yankees winning the AL East at 1-4.

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I'm not giving you 4 to 1. You sounded mighty confident that they wouldn't make it. So you've gotta do better than that.

[Voltron87]

So they're laying 3-1 on a bettors money? You want to offer me that bet?

[Voltron87]

You're screwing up the odds.

WSEX is probably laying 1-4 on the Yankees making the playoffs. That means for every 4$ you bet, 1$ profit stands to be made. If they are giving 1-4 odds, you are saying one in 4, which is obviously not the case. Betting semantics.

[jesusarenque]

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You're screwing up the odds.

WSEX is probably laying 1-4 on the Yankees making the playoffs. That means for every 4$ you bet, 1$ profit stands to be made. If they are giving 1-4 odds, you are saying one in 4, which is obviously not the case. Betting semantics.

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2005 AMERICAN LEAGUE EAST DIVISION
Outcome Odds
NEW YORK A 1-4
BOSTON 13-5
BALTIMORE 40-1
TORONTO 50-1
TAMPA BAY 110-1

[Voltron87]

Well since every major sportsbook says you're wrong... what odds would you give me? Obviously not the same as a sportsbook, since you disagree with them.

[Dead]

He probably thinks that 11 games constitute a whole season.

Maybe he's forgotten that last year the Yankees had a .500 April. I remember it, because I watched every game. I watched Boston win 6 of 7 from us in April. They swept us at Yankee Stadium, and we lost 3 of 4 at Fenway. At least we tied them this time.

They then proceeded to win the AL East by a comfortable margin, and amass the second best record in baseball. 11 games is nothing.

[jesusarenque]

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He probably thinks that 11 games constitute a whole season.

Maybe he's forgotten that last year the Yankees had a .500 April. I remember it, because I watched every game. I watched Boston win 6 of 7 from us in April. They swept us at Yankee Stadium, and we lost 3 of 4 at Fenway. At least we tied them this time.

They then proceeded to win the AL East by a comfortable margin, and amass the second best record in baseball. 11 games is nothing.

[/ QUOTE ]

I picked them to miss the playoffs before the season. I posted it here; you can look it up. What do you think the odds are that the Yanks miss the playoffs?

[Voltron87]

1 in 4.

You sound so confident, let's put some money on it, you name the odds. If you think the Yankees will miss they playoffs you would want to give even odds, especially with the Yankees' bad start.

[Dead]

It doesn't matter what I think the odds are.

I'll take an even money bet if you want.

Don't forget that WSEX odds are missing one thing. Those are the odds to win the AL East. It doesn't take the wild card into account. The Yanks could win the Wild Card and still get in the playoffs. Adjust accordingly.

[Jack of Arcades]

You should give him at least 6-1 because of the wild card.

[Voltron87]

sshhhhhhhhhh...

The real point is to get him to realize that saying the Yankees are not going to make the playoffs is genuinely retarded. Because I'm 90% sure he'll never put any money on it with me.

[bisonbison]

That's why God invented odds and why I suggested it.

Why don't you guys stop calling him a coward and start saying what odds you'd accept?

[Voltron87]

I would 3-1 against. For every dollar you wager, I will give you 3 if the Yankees do not make the playoffs (Division or WC).

[jesusarenque]

Well, if it's 1-4 that they will win the AL East then it should be about 1-7 that they at least win the WC.

[Jack of Arcades]

This would be a horrible bet by jesus. He'll probably take it.

[Voltron87]

If he is correct it is a great bet for him.

The whole point of this was, Jesus, what odds would you take? You're the one who is making a rather outlandish claim.

[jesusarenque]

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If he is correct it is a great bet for him.

The whole point of this was, Jesus, what odds would you take? You're the one who is making a rather outlandish claim.

[/ QUOTE ]

Is it really that outlandish? I think they will finish 2nd behind the Sox, and the WC will come from the AL West.

[Dead]

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If he is correct it is a great bet for him.

The whole point of this was, Jesus, what odds would you take? You're the one who is making a rather outlandish claim.

[/ QUOTE ]

Is it really that outlandish? I think they will finish 2nd behind the Sox, and the WC will come from the AL West.

[/ QUOTE ]

3 to 1 for you on the Yankees playoff prop. You can wager up to 20. Respond if we have a deal.

To clarify, you are risking $1 to win $3, max $20.

[Voltron87]

SO WHAT ODDS WOULD YOU BET????!!!!!!????????!!!!!!!!

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[Dead]

Gee, Jesus went away fast.

[Jack of Arcades]

No, it's a horrible bet, because even if he is correct, he can get better odds elsewhere.

[Dead]

But I haven't seen Jesus retract his statement.

If he is so sure that the Yankees won't make the playoffs, then getting 3-1 sounds good to me.

[Jack of Arcades]

If someone's offering you 2-1 odds on a coin flip, and someone's offering you 4-1 odds on a coin flip, it would be [censored] stupid to take 2-1.

[jesusarenque]

Sorry, beer run. I am not backing away from my statement. The Yankees are not going to make the playoffs. But I'm not going to make a wager with you, Dead, for worse odds than I can get online.

[Dead]

Of course you don't have to make the bet.

But you should realize that it's not likely that the Yanks will make the playoffs, considering that WSEX has them at 1-4, not even counting the wild card.

[jesusarenque]

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Of course you don't have to make the bet.

But you should realize that it's not likely that the Yanks will make the playoffs, considering that WSEX has them at 1-4, not even counting the wild card.

[/ QUOTE ]


Huh?

[Dead]

You sound very confident that the Yanks won't make the playoffs.

WSEX has them as a heavy favorite to win the AL East. That's why they are only paying $1 for every $4 that you risk.

This means that you are wrong.

[jesusarenque]

[ QUOTE ]
You sound very confident that the Yanks won't make the playoffs.

WSEX has them as a heavy favorite to win the AL East. That's why they are only paying $1 for every $4 that you risk.

This means that you are wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, it doesn't.

[Jack of Arcades]

Your arguments are pathetic.

[Dead]

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You sound very confident that the Yanks won't make the playoffs.

WSEX has them as a heavy favorite to win the AL East. That's why they are only paying $1 for every $4 that you risk.

This means that you are wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, it doesn't.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, it does.

Do you think that you are some kind of baseball genius or something? Someone who sees these odds and figures, oh, no these linemakers are all wrong. There's no way that the Yankees will make the playoffs. Lol.

[Dead]

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Your arguments are pathetic.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, I think what is pathetic is Jesus's statement that the Yankees won't make the playoffs. He is not willing to back it up with money.

[Jack of Arcades]

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If someone's offering you 2-1 odds on a coin flip, and someone's offering you 4-1 odds on a coin flip, it would be [censored] stupid to take 2-1.

[/ QUOTE ]

[jesusarenque]

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You sound very confident that the Yanks won't make the playoffs.

WSEX has them as a heavy favorite to win the AL East. That's why they are only paying $1 for every $4 that you risk.

This means that you are wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, it doesn't.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, it does.

Do you think that you are some kind of baseball genius or something? Someone who sees these odds and figures, oh, no these linemakers are all wrong. There's no way that the Yankees will make the playoffs. Lol.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know Boston is better than NY this year, and the online books have NY as a bigger favorite. I also know that the odds aren't necessarily determined by which team is better. How much money people are betting on a team helps determine the line.

[Dead]

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If someone's offering you 2-1 odds on a coin flip, and someone's offering you 4-1 odds on a coin flip, it would be [censored] stupid to take 2-1.

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[/ QUOTE ]

Except that Jesus doesn't think it's a coin flip. Jesus thinks that it is almost certain that the Yanks won't make the playoffs.

You know that it's a bad bet for him. I know that it's a bad bet for him.

Jesus knows that he shouldn't have said what he said about the Yankees.

[Jack of Arcades]

So he's wrong because he won't take a bad bet?

[jesusarenque]

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If someone's offering you 2-1 odds on a coin flip, and someone's offering you 4-1 odds on a coin flip, it would be [censored] stupid to take 2-1.

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[/ QUOTE ]

Except that Jesus doesn't think it's a coin flip. Jesus thinks that it is almost certain that the Yanks won't make the playoffs.

You know that it's a bad bet for him. I know that it's a bad bet for him.

Jesus knows that he shouldn't have said what he said about the Yankees.

[/ QUOTE ]

Haha. You talk like i said something about your mom. Online its 1-4 to win the AL East. Factoring in the WC, the odds should be longer (that they miss the playoffs). How about 1-8 that they make the playoffs. How much do you want to bet, Dead?

[Dead]

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So he's wrong because he won't take a bad bet?

[/ QUOTE ]

No, he's wrong because he made a bad statement, and he won't retract it.

[jesusarenque]

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Gee, Dead went away fast.

[/ QUOTE ]

fixed your post

[Dead]

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Gee, Dead went away fast.

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fixed your post

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Yeah right.

I didn't make an outlandish statement about the Red Sox like you made about the Yanks.

How about that bet, Haysus?

[jesusarenque]

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Gee, Dead went away fast.

[/ QUOTE ]

fixed your post

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Yeah right.

I didn't make an outlandish statement about the Red Sox like you made about the Yanks.

How about that bet, Haysus?

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't make an outlandish statement about the Yanks. I said Boston would finish ahead of them in the AL East. That is not outlandish. I said the WC would be either Oakland or Losanagelesheim. That is not outlandish.

[Dead]

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The Yankees will miss the playoffs this year.

[/ QUOTE ]

That is an outlandish statement. They haven't missed the playoffs since 1995. They've made the playoffs 10 years in a row, in other words.

What makes you think they will miss it this year?

[sublime]

the yankees will make the playoffs, UNLESS thet get really unlucky with injuries. same with the sox.

[Dead]

Of course they will. Anyone who says that they won't simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

The Yanks have played 11 games so far. 11 games. That's not even 7% of the season.

[jesusarenque]

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Of course they will. Anyone who says that they won't simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

The Yanks have played 11 games so far. 11 games. That's not even 7% of the season.

[/ QUOTE ]

I said the Yanks would miss the playoffs before the season started. I'm not basing it on 11 gamees. Saying the Yanks will miss the playoffs is not outlandish.

[Dead]

Yes, it really is, considering that the Yanks were +138 to win the World Series before the season started. That's 1.3 to 1 to win the WORLD SERIES. They were like 1-5 to win the AL East.

That's why your claim is incredibly outlandish.

[jesusarenque]

[ QUOTE ]
Yes, it really is, considering that the Yanks were +138 to win the World Series before the season started. That's 1.3 to 1 to win the WORLD SERIES. They were like 1-5 to win the AL East.

That's why your claim is incredibly outlandish.

[/ QUOTE ]

It is not outlandish to say the Redsox will have a better record. It is not outlandish to say the A's will have a better record. It is not outlandish to say the Angels will have a better record. It might not be correct, but it is not outlandish. You are blinded by your love for the Yanks.

[Jack of Arcades]

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Yes, it really is, considering that the Yanks were +138 to win the World Series before the season started. That's 1.3 to 1 to win the WORLD SERIES.

[/ QUOTE ]

Anybody who thinks any time in modern baseball is 1.3 to 1 to win the world series is seriously in error. This just goes to show how odds books are not about being right, but about making money.

[Dead]

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This just goes to show how odds books are not about being right, but about making money.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think you understand how in money can move lines. The Yankees were such huge favorites because so many people were betting on them, pushing the line down more and more.

[Jack of Arcades]

Okay, so they reflect public opinion. Do you think public opinion is smarter than me, Dead? Honestly?

[jesusarenque]

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This just goes to show how odds books are not about being right, but about making money.

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I don't think you understand how in money can move lines. The Yankees were such huge favorites because so many people were betting on them, pushing the line down more and more.

[/ QUOTE ]

If the Yanks are such a lock then take my bet at 1-8.

[Vince Young]

So his claim is outlandish, not because of the true odds, but because other people disagree. Come on, Dead.

[Dead]

Yes I do. I think that thousands of people collectively are without a doubt smarter than you.

No doubt you fancy yourself a Bill James, but I don't think that you are a baseball genius. And I don't think that Jesus is one either. He could have said that "I believe the Yankees will miss the playoffs and that's my opinion". But he didn't.

He stated it as if it were a fact. The Yankees will miss the playoffs this year. He offered no justification for this statement.

[Dead]

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So his claim is outlandish, not because of the true odds, but because other people disagree. Come on, Dead.

[/ QUOTE ]

If the true odds are 1-4, meaning that sportsbooks are only giving you $1 when you risk $4, then it is quite obvious that the Yankees are not going to miss the playoffs this year, barring a lot of injuries.

[jesusarenque]

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So his claim is outlandish, not because of the true odds, but because other people disagree. Come on, Dead.

[/ QUOTE ]

If the true odds are 1-4, meaning that sportsbooks are only giving you $1 when you risk $4, then it is quite obvious that the Yankees are not going to miss the playoffs this year, barring a lot of injuries.

[/ QUOTE ]

That makes it obvious they are making the playoffs?

[Dead]

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So his claim is outlandish, not because of the true odds, but because other people disagree. Come on, Dead.

[/ QUOTE ]

If the true odds are 1-4, meaning that sportsbooks are only giving you $1 when you risk $4, then it is quite obvious that the Yankees are not going to miss the playoffs this year, barring a lot of injuries.

[/ QUOTE ]

That makes it obvious they are making the playoffs?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes it absolutely does.

[jesusarenque]

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So his claim is outlandish, not because of the true odds, but because other people disagree. Come on, Dead.

[/ QUOTE ]

If the true odds are 1-4, meaning that sportsbooks are only giving you $1 when you risk $4, then it is quite obvious that the Yankees are not going to miss the playoffs this year, barring a lot of injuries.

[/ QUOTE ]

That makes it obvious they are making the playoffs?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes it absolutely does.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wow. Then you should take the bet at 1-25. Let's do it. I say Yanks don't make the playoffs. 1-25. How much?

[battschr]

The books giving the Yanks good odds to make the playoffs means that they will? That's just the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[splashpot]

Now I know how Dead has 4253 posts in only 2.5 months. Garbage like this.

[DougOzzzz]

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Yes, it really is, considering that the Yanks were +138 to win the World Series before the season started. That's 1.3 to 1 to win the WORLD SERIES. They were like 1-5 to win the AL East.

That's why your claim is incredibly outlandish.

[/ QUOTE ]

The outlandish thing is that the Yanks are getting these odds in the first place. 1.3 to 1 to win the world series is TERRIBLE. I mean, assuming they make the playoffs, they still have to win 3 series. Unless you have a truly dominant team (like 110 wins) and a bunch of 90 win teams making the playoffs, no team THESE days is better than 2 to 1 to win the WS, given that they make the playoffs.

1-5 to win the AL East is maybe worse. The Yankees were easily worse than the Sox last year. They were lucky - I believe they won 12 games more than their pythagorean projection. They didn't get much better. Johnson helped, Pavano and Wright are OKAY but horribly overpaid. The offense just got older.

I'm pretty sure virtually every winning baseball bettor would say the Yankees are FAR WORSE than 83% to win the AL East. It's fan money that's driving these odds, not money from sharps.

That said, they should make the playoffs. And I've yet to see a line specifically on the Yankees NOT to win the WS, division, or make the playoffs etc. You can bet on other teams (I placed a significant bet on Boston at 3.5 to 1 to win AL East), but you can't bet just against the Yankees. I'd take NYY to not make the playoffs at 4-1 or so myself.

[Dead]

If the Sox were better last year, then why did they underachieve from May-October. They ended up losing the AL East, by, what, 3 or 4 games?

Do you think that the Sox are a better team than the Yanks this year?

[tbach24]

[ QUOTE ]
If the Sox were better last year, then why did they underachieve from May-October. They ended up losing the AL East, by, what, 3 or 4 games?

Do you think that the Sox are a better team than the Yanks this year?

[/ QUOTE ]

You are retarded. Look at the run differential. The Sox were better last season.

[Jack of Arcades]

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Yes I do. I think that thousands of people collectively are without a doubt smarter than you.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is idiotic.

Who will score better on the SATs: someone of above average intelligence and test taking abilities, or every other score combined?

People get stupider when you put them in groups, not smarter.

[ QUOTE ]
No doubt you fancy yourself a Bill James, but I don't think that you are a baseball genius.

[/ QUOTE ]

You couldn't be more wrong. I know a lot more than the average fan, though.

[sublime]

I'm pretty sure virtually every winning baseball bettor would say the Yankees are FAR WORSE than 83% to win the AL East. It's fan money that's driving these odds, not money from sharps.

i got the sox at 3-1. its quite a bargain /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Dead]

The SAT does not measure intelligence.

I have no doubt that you know more than the average fan. I think that I know more than the average fan as well.

[contentless]

Dead, do you still follow that Captain Intangibles [censored]? Are you even aware that there are baseball statistics? I'll take 13-2 that the Yanks don't make the playoffs.

[Dead]

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Dead, do you still follow that Captain Intangibles [censored]?

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Yes

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Are you even aware that there are baseball statistics?

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Yes

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I'll take 13-2 that the Yanks don't make the playoffs.

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I never offered 6.5. And so you aren't getting it.

[sublime]

Do you think that the Sox are a better team than the Yanks this year?

you are missing the friggin point. take your fcuking foam #1 finger of you hand and listen!!! the NYY are VERY good. so are the sox. which team is better? PROBABLY the NYY on PAPER. however its by a SMALL margin. the price that sportsbooks are offering is way overinflated. there is ALWAYS a median line when a bet becomes +EV/-EV. for example if you gave me 50-1 that the yanks would miss the playoffs, i would take it. ofc i would, my marging of error is HUGE.

[contentless]

Can you provide your reasoning behind not giving it? I seem to recall you using terms like 'obvious'. If there are 1-4 odds of the Yanks winning the AL East, someone is giving and someone is getting, not to mention the vig. The extra 5-2 for the wild card seems reasonable enough.

[Dead]

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take your fcuking foam #1 finger of you hand

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How did you know I had one of those? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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for example if you gave me 50-1 that the yanks would miss the playoffs, i would take it. ofc i would, my marging of error is HUGE.

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I would never do that, because I understand the basics of odds calculating.

I wouldn't give more than 4 or 5 to 1 on it.

[DougOzzzz]

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take your fcuking foam #1 finger of you hand

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How did you know I had one of those? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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for example if you gave me 50-1 that the yanks would miss the playoffs, i would take it. ofc i would, my marging of error is HUGE.

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I would never do that, because I understand the basics of odds calculating.

I wouldn't give more than 4 or 5 to 1 on it.

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Then you have less faith in the Yankees than the average Yankees fan.

[jesusarenque]

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take your fcuking foam #1 finger of you hand

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How did you know I had one of those? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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for example if you gave me 50-1 that the yanks would miss the playoffs, i would take it. ofc i would, my marging of error is HUGE.

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I would never do that, because I understand the basics of odds calculating.

I wouldn't give more than 4 or 5 to 1 on it.

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Why not, if it is obvious?

[contentless]

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I wouldn't give more than 4 or 5 to 1 on it.

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How can you be only giving 4 for the playoffs if that's what big sportsbooks are taking for winning the AL East division? Not only are you not giving anything for the wild card, you're worse in that you're charging juice and I can't trust you to pay!

Seems like you know nothing about odds calculation.

[Dead]

I have a lot of faith in the Yankees, but not near unlimited faith.

I hope that they win it all every year. Does it happen? No.

[Uston]

No, he's wrong because he made a bad statement, and he won't retract it.

Did you ever retract a single one of your moronic "Syracuse will win the NCAA's" comments?

[contentless]

Another update:

Sox Win, Yankees Lose

[Voltron87]

What's the magic number now? 155?

[Los Feliz Slim]

Will Torre last until the All Star break?

BALTIMORE (AP) -- George Steinbrenner is tired of waiting for his New York Yankees to get going.

Now he's angry.

Miguel Tejada hit his eighth career grand slam, and the Baltimore Orioles roughed up Kevin Brown and completed a three-game sweep of New York with an 8-4 victory Sunday. The last-place Yankees (4-8) have dropped four straight and eight of 10 overall.

"Enough is enough. I am bitterly disappointed as I'm sure all Yankee fans are by the lack of performance by our team," Steinbrenner said in a statement issued immediately after the game.

"It is unbelievable to me that the highest-paid team in baseball would start the season in such a deep funk. They are not playing like true Yankees. They have the talent to win and they are not winning. I expect Joe Torre, his complete coaching staff and the team to turn this around."

[Edge34]

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No, he's wrong because he made a bad statement, and he won't retract it.

Did you ever retract a single one of your moronic "Syracuse will win the NCAA's" comments?

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Ni han sir.

[Dead]

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No, he's wrong because he made a bad statement, and he won't retract it.

Did you ever retract a single one of your moronic "Syracuse will win the NCAA's" comments?

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Ni han sir.

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Ni han Sir. Durr.

I was joking when I said that Syracuse was guaranteed to win the NCAAs, and I said as much in that thread.

What I did say was this: I think that Syracuse has a good chance to win the championship, at least better than 28 to 1.

[kyro]

at least it's not 157 anymore

[Edge34]

Dead,

I was just messing around, bro - lighten up.

I hate the Yankees with the burning passion of 1000 suns, but even I know that they're probably going to make the playoffs (as happy as it would make me to see them fail horribly).

This thread just got really really lame with you and jesus going at it, and never actually doing anything at all...

[jesusarenque]

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Dead,

I was just messing around, bro - lighten up.

I hate the Yankees with the burning passion of 1000 suns, but even I know that they're probably going to make the playoffs (as happy as it would make me to see them fail horribly).

This thread just got really really lame with you and jesus going at it, and never actually doing anything at all...

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Dead backed off. I said 8-1 that the Yanks miss the playoffs. Seems like a good deal for Dead since it's "obvious" they will get there.

[Voltron87]

Dude, this is a joke. You can't both think the Yankees will miss the playoffs and also ask for 8-1 odds on them missing. There's a huge gap there.

[jesusarenque]

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Dude, this is a joke. You can't both think the Yankees will miss the playoffs and also ask for 8-1 odds on them missing. There's a huge gap there.

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It's 1-4 that they win the AL East. The odds have to be worse (better?) than that that make the playoffs.

[Voltron87]

Ok, so you've at least admitted the odds are against the Yankees missing the playoffs?

[contentless]

No, the betting odds are against them missing the playoffs. The true odds can be anywhere in between. But if Jesus and Dead are going to do anything about it, Dead can't get a better deal than at a sportsbook (which charges juice AND doesn't account for WC), which is what he's doing when giving 4-1 or 5-1.

Totally weak.

[Dead]

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Dead,

I was just messing around, bro - lighten up.

I hate the Yankees with the burning passion of 1000 suns, but even I know that they're probably going to make the playoffs (as happy as it would make me to see them fail horribly).

This thread just got really really lame with you and jesus going at it, and never actually doing anything at all...

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Dead backed off. I said 8-1 that the Yanks miss the playoffs. Seems like a good deal for Dead since it's "obvious" they will get there.

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I never saw you offer me 8-1, and I'm not taking it. I said 4-1, and that's what it will be if you want it. That's 4-1 to win the AL East. AL East only. Not counting the wildcard. I'm revising the offer.

[jesusarenque]

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Dead,

I was just messing around, bro - lighten up.

I hate the Yankees with the burning passion of 1000 suns, but even I know that they're probably going to make the playoffs (as happy as it would make me to see them fail horribly).

This thread just got really really lame with you and jesus going at it, and never actually doing anything at all...

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Dead backed off. I said 8-1 that the Yanks miss the playoffs. Seems like a good deal for Dead since it's "obvious" they will get there.

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I never saw you offer me 8-1, and I'm not taking it. I said 4-1, and that's what it will be if you want it. That's 4-1 to win the AL East. AL East only. Not counting the wildcard.

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4-1 that they don't win the AL East?

[Voltron87]

Are you mentally handicapped?

[Dead]

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Dead,

I was just messing around, bro - lighten up.

I hate the Yankees with the burning passion of 1000 suns, but even I know that they're probably going to make the playoffs (as happy as it would make me to see them fail horribly).

This thread just got really really lame with you and jesus going at it, and never actually doing anything at all...

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Dead backed off. I said 8-1 that the Yanks miss the playoffs. Seems like a good deal for Dead since it's "obvious" they will get there.

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I never saw you offer me 8-1, and I'm not taking it. I said 4-1, and that's what it will be if you want it. That's 4-1 to win the AL East. AL East only. Not counting the wildcard.

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4-1 that they don't win the AL East?

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I will pay you 4-1, if they don't win the AL East. That's correct. Same as Pinnacle's odds. Max wager of $10 for you. If the Yanks win the AL East, you owe me $10 max. If they don't, I owe you $40 max.

Respond to this if we have a deal, with the amount that you want to wager.

[jesusarenque]

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Dead,

I was just messing around, bro - lighten up.

I hate the Yankees with the burning passion of 1000 suns, but even I know that they're probably going to make the playoffs (as happy as it would make me to see them fail horribly).

This thread just got really really lame with you and jesus going at it, and never actually doing anything at all...

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Dead backed off. I said 8-1 that the Yanks miss the playoffs. Seems like a good deal for Dead since it's "obvious" they will get there.

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I never saw you offer me 8-1, and I'm not taking it. I said 4-1, and that's what it will be if you want it. That's 4-1 to win the AL East. AL East only. Not counting the wildcard.

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4-1 that they don't win the AL East?

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I will pay you 4-1, if they don't win the AL East. That's correct. Same as Pinnacle's odds. Max wager of $10 for you. If the Yanks win the AL East, you owe me $10 max. If they don't, I owe you $40 max.

Respond to this if we have a deal, with the amount that you want to wager.

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Deal. I'll go the max.

[gumpzilla]

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I will pay you 4-1, if they don't win the AL East. That's correct. Same as Pinnacle's odds. Max wager of $10 for you. If the Yanks win the AL East, you owe me $10 max. If they don't, I owe you $40 max.

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Can I get in on this action? Please?

[Dead]

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I will pay you 4-1, if they don't win the AL East. That's correct. Same as Pinnacle's odds. Max wager of $10 for you. If the Yanks win the AL East, you owe me $10 max. If they don't, I owe you $40 max.

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Can I get in on this action? Please?

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No. This is limited to Jesus.

[Dead]

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Dead,

I was just messing around, bro - lighten up.

I hate the Yankees with the burning passion of 1000 suns, but even I know that they're probably going to make the playoffs (as happy as it would make me to see them fail horribly).

This thread just got really really lame with you and jesus going at it, and never actually doing anything at all...

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Dead backed off. I said 8-1 that the Yanks miss the playoffs. Seems like a good deal for Dead since it's "obvious" they will get there.

[/ QUOTE ]

I never saw you offer me 8-1, and I'm not taking it. I said 4-1, and that's what it will be if you want it. That's 4-1 to win the AL East. AL East only. Not counting the wildcard.

[/ QUOTE ]

4-1 that they don't win the AL East?

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I will pay you 4-1, if they don't win the AL East. That's correct. Same as Pinnacle's odds. Max wager of $10 for you. If the Yanks win the AL East, you owe me $10 max. If they don't, I owe you $40 max.

Respond to this if we have a deal, with the amount that you want to wager.

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Deal. I'll go the max.

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Good. Deal.

[Voltron87]

I'll get you in on it. I'll give you 3-1 that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

For every dollar you wager, I will pay you three if NYY doesn't make the playoffs (WC or division).

That's the final offer, pretty simple.

[jesusarenque]

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I'll get you in on it. I'll give you 3-1 that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

For every dollar you wager, I will pay you three if NYY doesn't make the playoffs (WC or division).

That's the final offer, pretty simple.

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Uh....I got 4-1 from Dead on the division only. So you want me to give you an extra playoff spot (the WC) and take WORSE odds? No thanks.

[Dead]

Your terms are not as attractive as mine, but I still feel incredibly confident in mine, Yankees having won the AL-E crown 7 years in a row.

[Dead]

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I'll get you in on it. I'll give you 3-1 that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

For every dollar you wager, I will pay you three if NYY doesn't make the playoffs (WC or division).

That's the final offer, pretty simple.

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Uh....I got 4-1 from Dead on the division only. So you want me to give you an extra playoff spot (the WC) and take WORSE odds? No thanks.

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He's talking to Gumpzilla.

[gumpzilla]

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I'll get you in on it. I'll give you 3-1 that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

For every dollar you wager, I will pay you three if NYY doesn't make the playoffs (WC or division).

That's the final offer, pretty simple.

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I'm with Jesus; this seems substantially less appealing than the line Dead was offering.

[jesusarenque]

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Your terms are not as attractive as mine, but I still feel incredibly confident in mine, Yankees having won the AL-E crown 7 years in a row.

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One time I won 7 poker hands in a row. I wasn't super confident I was going to win the 8th.

[Dead]

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I'll get you in on it. I'll give you 3-1 that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

For every dollar you wager, I will pay you three if NYY doesn't make the playoffs (WC or division).

That's the final offer, pretty simple.

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I'm with Jesus; this seems substantially less appealing than the line Dead was offering.

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I am sorry but I don't have the cash to give this deal to like 20 people, because I know that everyone wants it.

[Dead]

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Your terms are not as attractive as mine, but I still feel incredibly confident in mine, Yankees having won the AL-E crown 7 years in a row.

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One time I won 7 poker hands in a row. I wasn't super confident I was going to win the 8th.

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Cards don't have runs. Teams do.

[contentless]

Dude, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and stop pussyfooting with this "max $10" crap?

I'm not sure why you'd do a 1-4 bet, Dead, when you can get the same from a sportsbook. Keep in mind, sportsbooks will most likely pay you; you can't say the same for random posters on message boards. I thought the whole point of these wagers was to avoid the implicit vig. Oh well.

[jesusarenque]

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Your terms are not as attractive as mine, but I still feel incredibly confident in mine, Yankees having won the AL-E crown 7 years in a row.

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One time I won 7 poker hands in a row. I wasn't super confident I was going to win the 8th.

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Cards don't have runs. Teams do.

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Really? You are telling me that the fact that the Yankees won the AL East in 1998 makes it more likely that they will win it this year? Uh, no.

[Voltron87]

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I'll get you in on it. I'll give you 3-1 that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

For every dollar you wager, I will pay you three if NYY doesn't make the playoffs (WC or division).

That's the final offer, pretty simple.

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Uh....I got 4-1 from Dead on the division only. So you want me to give you an extra playoff spot (the WC) and take WORSE odds? No thanks.

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I wasn't talking to you.

You are the one saying you think the Yankees will not make the playoffs with a lot of certainty and asking for 4-1 or 5-1 odds? What is wrong with this picture?

[Dead]

I trust Jesus.

[Voltron87]

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I'll get you in on it. I'll give you 3-1 that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

For every dollar you wager, I will pay you three if NYY doesn't make the playoffs (WC or division).

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I'm with Jesus; this seems substantially less appealing than the line Dead was offering.

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No [censored]? You and jesus must both have PHDs in statistics.

[jesusarenque]

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I'll get you in on it. I'll give you 3-1 that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

For every dollar you wager, I will pay you three if NYY doesn't make the playoffs (WC or division).

That's the final offer, pretty simple.

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Uh....I got 4-1 from Dead on the division only. So you want me to give you an extra playoff spot (the WC) and take WORSE odds? No thanks.

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I wasn't talking to you.

You are the one saying you think the Yankees will not make the playoffs with a lot of certainty and asking for 4-1 or 5-1 odds? What is wrong with this picture?

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You are the one saying the Yankees will make the playoffs with a lot of certainty and giving odds worse than sportsbooks are offering for winning the division. What is wrong with this picture?

[Dead]

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I'll get you in on it. I'll give you 3-1 that the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

For every dollar you wager, I will pay you three if NYY doesn't make the playoffs (WC or division).

That's the final offer, pretty simple.


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I'm with Jesus; this seems substantially less appealing than the line Dead was offering.

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No [censored]? You and jesus must both have PHDs in statistics.

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Don't [censored] with the Jesus.

[FishBurger]

I think we can all agree that both the Red Sox and Yankess each suck this year and will continue to do so.

[contentless]

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I think we can all agree that both the Red Sox and Yankess each suck this year and will continue to do so.

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/images/graemlins/confused.gif Sox are just a game out of first...So why use the word 'continue'?

[gumpzilla]

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No [censored]? You and jesus must both have PHDs in statistics.

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On the other hand, we're not chiming in offering completely different lines to somebody who has expressed interest in a very particular line, so it looks like there's enough brain damage to go around.

[JinX11]

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Still There! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Yep - Yanks are still there! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JinX11]

Bumpizzle!!!! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bba_al_rdp)

I can't hear ya anymore, ChristinaB - is your dress caught in your throat or...?