Button movement in Party Sit and Gos

[aces961]

Has anyone ever had the button literally move backward on party, meaning seat 5 was the button on hand 1, seat 6 was previously eliminated so it moved to seat 7 for the next hand. Seat 7 was eliminated on that hand and the button moved back to seat 5. There were 6+ players in all of these hands. I've contacted party support about this and will post their response when I get it.

[bugstud]

that seems very odd

[Apathy]

post those hand histories

[aces961]

***** Hand History for Game 1840527343 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10984971) - Sun Apr 03 20:48:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 14451 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: BoiledOver (885)
Seat 2: rlgetchips (1425)
Seat 3: XLhomestead (1150)
Seat 4: Jcardshark11 (2510)
Seat 5: Braindead9 (1610)
Seat 7: renjer5 (925)
Seat 8: LkyJeremiah (380)
Seat 9: MittRomney (1115)
renjer5 posts small blind (100)
LkyJeremiah posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
MittRomney folds.
BoiledOver raises (885) to 885
BoiledOver is all-In.
rlgetchips folds.
XLhomestead folds.
Jcardshark11 folds.
Braindead9 folds.
renjer5 folds.
LkyJeremiah calls (180)
LkyJeremiah is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $860 with LkyJeremiah
Creating Side Pot 1 with $505 with BoiledOver
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7c, Qs, Ts ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 860 | Side Pot 1: 505
Board: [ 7c Qs Ts 6c 4c ]
BoiledOver balance 1365, bet 885, collected 1365, net +480 [ Kh Qc ] [ a pair of queens -- Kh,Qc,Qs,Ts,7c ]
rlgetchips balance 1425, didn't bet (folded)
XLhomestead balance 1150, didn't bet (folded)
Jcardshark11 balance 2510, didn't bet (folded)
Braindead9 balance 1610, didn't bet (folded)
renjer5 balance 825, lost 100 (folded)
LkyJeremiah balance 0, lost 380 [ Ac 4h ] [ a pair of fours -- Ac,Qs,Ts,4h,4c ]
MittRomney balance 1115, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 1840529412 *****
LkyJeremiah finished in eighth place.
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10984971) - Sun Apr 03 20:48:47 EDT 2005
Table Table 14451 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: BoiledOver (1365)
Seat 2: rlgetchips (1425)
Seat 3: XLhomestead (1150)
Seat 4: Jcardshark11 (2510)
Seat 5: Braindead9 (1610)
Seat 7: renjer5 (825)
Seat 9: MittRomney (1115)
MittRomney posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
BoiledOver folds.
rlgetchips folds.
XLhomestead folds.
Jcardshark11 folds.
Braindead9 folds.
renjer5 raises (825) to 825
renjer5 is all-In.
MittRomney calls (625)
Creating Main Pot with $1650 with renjer5
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6d, 7d, 6c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1650 |
Board: [ 6d 7d 6c Jc 4s ]
BoiledOver balance 1365, didn't bet (folded)
rlgetchips balance 1425, didn't bet (folded)
XLhomestead balance 1150, didn't bet (folded)
Jcardshark11 balance 2510, didn't bet (folded)
Braindead9 balance 1610, didn't bet (folded)
renjer5 balance 0, lost 825 [ 7h 8h ] [ two pairs, sevens and sixes -- Jc,7h,7d,6d,6c ]
MittRomney balance 1940, bet 825, collected 1650, net +825 [ Td Jd ] [ two pairs, jacks and sixes -- Jd,Jc,Td,6d,6c ]

***** Hand History for Game 1840531713 *****
renjer5 finished in seventh place.
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10984971) - Sun Apr 03 20:49:12 EDT 2005
Table Table 14451 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: BoiledOver (1365)
Seat 2: rlgetchips (1425)
Seat 3: XLhomestead (1150)
Seat 4: Jcardshark11 (2510)
Seat 5: Braindead9 (1610)
Seat 9: MittRomney (1940)
MittRomney posts small blind (100)
BoiledOver posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
rlgetchips folds.
XLhomestead raises (1100) to 1100
Jcardshark11 folds.
Braindead9 folds.
MittRomney folds.
BoiledOver folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1400
BoiledOver balance 1165, lost 200 (folded)
rlgetchips balance 1425, didn't bet (folded)
XLhomestead balance 1450, bet 1100, collected 1400, net +300
Jcardshark11 balance 2510, didn't bet (folded)
Braindead9 balance 1610, didn't bet (folded)
MittRomney balance 1840, lost 100 (folded)


My first email to them

I have attached three consecutive hands from a sit and go I recently played, the hands occured in the order they are attached the top one first. You will notice that the game has over 6 players and on the first and third of the consecutive hands seat 5 is the button. An occurance like this is inexcusable and you need to act immediatly to correct this flaw in your tourney software or it may cause me to stop playing at your site completely. I would ask that the buy-ins of each player involved who was left when this occured be refunded either in cash or bonus, something like this compromises the fairness of the tournament in allowing the player who recieved the button twice an unfair positional edge in more hands than is his share.


The reply:

Dear (Player)

Thank you for contacting us.

Players inherit any obligations (taking the Blinds) or receive any
benefits (getting the button) when transferred as a result of their table
breaking down in a multi table tournament. However in a single table
tournament, if the player gets eliminated in that hand, where the button
had to move to that particular player, then the player who had the
button would receive the button again so that the player who has to post the
small blind can post his blinds.

Players are dealt in the next hand after a transfer (unless they are
moved into the small blind position). Players are informed when they are
transferred (and when others are transferred to their table).

In transferring players from one table to another to keep tables
balanced, we try to be "as fair as possible" to players to maintain the same
distance from the blind after the transfer.

If you have any questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to
contact our Customer Care Department at any time. We are here 24/7 to
assist you via email.

Thank you for choosing us as your online gaming site!

Shalini
Poker Customer Care

My reply to that:

Hello,
As this was a single table tournament I am
responding to the portion of your response concerning
those. The situation you describe is if the player who
would be the button the next hand is eliminated. Then
the button would stay in the same place for two
consecutive hands. While I may disagree with this and
would not do it in a tourney I was running, I
understand a large number of places do and believe it
is a valid way of handling the situation.
This is not what occured in this situation. What
happened there is in the 2nd hand I sent the player
who was the button was eliminated, instead of the
button moving to the next player at the table in the
correct direction, it literally moved backward a seat.
This is completely illogical and I can't see a
reasonalbe explanation for why it should be allowed to
occur.
As I provide your site with 150-200 dollars in
revenue a day I would hope in the future you could
actually take the time to read my complaints and
actually figure out what they are, I don't attempt to
waste your time with complaints that I don't believe
are warrented and I would appreciate it if you
wouldn't waste my time with responses that indicate
you haven't taken the time to actually read my email
completely.



I am still awaiting a reply for that 5 hours later.



If they don't actually do anything for me in my next email I have the following quote from their rules on the website
"Texas Hold’em uses what is called a “dealer button” (a small disc) to indicate the theoretical dealer of each hand. After each hand is completed, the dealer button moves clockwise to the next active player. This player will be considered “the dealer” for that hand. In this way each player has equal opportunities to be in early, middle and late position."

[aces961]

So here is the latest reply

Dear Player,

Thank you for contacting us.

With regards to your email we would like to inform you that in hand
number 1840529412 seat 7 is the button, seat 9 posts the big blind and
there is no small blind. In this hand renjer5 ie seat 7 is eliminated. In
the next hand seat 9 should have been the small blind and the person
next to him should be the big blind. This is exactly what happened. The
button again does not move and should have remained with the player on
seat 7. However since there is no player on seat 7 the button was
represented by the player on seat 5 instead of being on the empty seat 7. It
did not skip seat 9.

If you have any questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to
contact our Customer Care Department at any time. We are here 24/7 to
assist you via email.

Thank you for choosing us as your online gaming site!

Ameenddin
Poker Customer Care


So I've replied to this by giving them countless situations where the big blind goes out one hand, there is a single big blind the next hand who is the button the hand after that and pays no small blind. I've also quoted the rule page and explained that according to them the next active player to the left of the button in hand 2 should recieve the button in hand 3. We'll see what they say to that.

[Insty]

Are you saying that it is correct to have people skip paying the blinds because the button position takes priority?

[aces961]

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Are you saying that it is correct to have people skip paying the blinds because the button position takes priority?

[/ QUOTE ]

Ah, I'm not the one saying that, party is the one saying that with how they handle the much more common situation where the big blind is eliminated and no one is eliminated in the next hand. Anyone who has ever played a sit and go has seen the following happen:
In hand 1:seat 1 is the button, 2 sb, 3 bb and seat 3 is eliminated
In hand 2 then Seat 2 is the button, seat 4 is the bb
In hand 3 seat 4 is the button, 5 sb, 6 bb.

This usally happens at least once per sit and go and you can clearly see party places priority on the button moving here. Clearly in the example I gave above if they treat it as such can you think of any rational reason why if on hand 2 the button was eliminated that player 1 instead of 4 should have the next button, I certainly can't.

[Paul2432]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Are you saying that it is correct to have people skip paying the blinds because the button position takes priority?

[/ QUOTE ]

Ah, I'm not the one saying that, party is the one saying that with how they handle the much more common situation where the big blind is eliminated and no one is eliminated in the next hand. Anyone who has ever played a sit and go has seen the following happen:
In hand 1:seat 1 is the button, 2 sb, 3 bb and seat 3 is eliminated
In hand 2 then Seat 2 is the button, seat 4 is the bb
In hand 3 seat 4 is the button, 5 sb, 6 bb.

This usally happens at least once per sit and go and you can clearly see party places priority on the button moving here. Clearly in the example I gave above if they treat it as such can you think of any rational reason why if on hand 2 the button was eliminated that player 1 instead of 4 should have the next button, I certainly can't.

[/ QUOTE ]

I have not studied Party's rulebook, but this situation is a "dead button" that occurs routinely in B&M.

Paul

[aces961]

[ QUOTE ]
I have not studied Party's rulebook, but this situation is a "dead button" that occurs routinely in B&M.

Paul

[/ QUOTE ]

What occured here is party using the dead button rule on a hand where the button went out not the small blind. I have never seen a casino institute a dead button rule when the button goes out, why would they.

[dfscott]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I have not studied Party's rulebook, but this situation is a "dead button" that occurs routinely in B&M.

Paul

[/ QUOTE ]

What occured here is party using the dead button rule on a hand where the button went out not the small blind. I have never seen a casino institute a dead button rule when the button goes out, why would they.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, the way they did it was right. It's the two busts in a row that makes this strange. The wierdness is caused by the fact that even through party uses the Dead Button Rule, they don't have any way to allow an empty seat to have the button, so they just back it up until they find a player that's still in, which is effectively the same thing.

Here's what happened:

Hand 1:
Seat 5 is button
Seat 7 is SB (seat 6 apparently busted previously)
Seat 8 is BB
Hand Result: Seat 8 busts out.

Hand 2:
Button moves from seat 5 to seat 7
There is no SB since the BB busted last hand
Seat 9 is now the BB
Now, the Button busts out.

Hand 3:
Button moves from seat 7 to seat 8, but seat 8 is gone. If seat 7 hadn't busted last hand, he would get the button again, but since he's not there, it "backs up" to seat 5.
Seat 9 posts SB and Seat 1 posts BB as normal.

They way party handles it makes it a little confusing, but I'm pretty sure that this was kosher.

[dfscott]

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So I've replied to this by giving them countless situations where the big blind goes out one hand, there is a single big blind the next hand who is the button the hand after that and pays no small blind. I've also quoted the rule page and explained that according to them the next active player to the left of the button in hand 2 should recieve the button in hand 3. We'll see what they say to that.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's true at Stars, which has a Forward Moving Button rule. At Party, they use the Dead Button Rule, which means that a player CAN receive the button twice.

[aces961]

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Hand 3:
Button moves from seat 7 to seat 8, but seat 8 is gone. If seat 7 hadn't busted last hand, he would get the button again, but since he's not there, it "backs up" to seat 5.
Seat 9 posts SB and Seat 1 posts BB as normal.


[/ QUOTE ]
See I wouldn't have any objection to what happened if party would have actually given seat 7 the button twice, but this isn't what they do. If seat 7 wasn't eliminated they would have moved the big blind to seat 9 and seat 9 would not pay a sb and seat 1 would not pay a big.

[aces961]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
So I've replied to this by giving them countless situations where the big blind goes out one hand, there is a single big blind the next hand who is the button the hand after that and pays no small blind. I've also quoted the rule page and explained that according to them the next active player to the left of the button in hand 2 should recieve the button in hand 3. We'll see what they say to that.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's true at Stars, which has a Forward Moving Button rule. At Party, they use the Dead Button Rule, which means that a player CAN receive the button twice.

[/ QUOTE ]

A far as I know the dead button only applies when the person who would have recieved the button is elminated, given that party would have moved the button to seat 9 if seat 7 wasn't elminated and since seat 9 is still alive he should get the button.

[dfscott]

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Hand 3:
Button moves from seat 7 to seat 8, but seat 8 is gone. If seat 7 hadn't busted last hand, he would get the button again, but since he's not there, it "backs up" to seat 5.
Seat 9 posts SB and Seat 1 posts BB as normal.


[/ QUOTE ]
See I wouldn't have any objection to what happened if party would have actually given seat 7 the button twice, but this isn't what they do. If seat 7 wasn't eliminated they would have moved the big blind to seat 9 and seat 9 would not pay a sb and seat 1 would not pay a big.

[/ QUOTE ]

That would be cool for seat 1, since he'd get to skip paying the big. However, that's not how the dead button rule reads. From Robert's Rules of Poker:

Dead button – The big blind is posted by the player due for it, and the small blind and button are positioned accordingly, even if this means the small blind or the button is placed in front of an empty seat, giving the same player the privilege of last action on consecutive hands.

[Insty]

[ QUOTE ]

Anyone who has ever played a sit and go has seen the following happen:
In hand 1:seat 1 is the button, 2 sb, 3 bb and seat 3 is eliminated
In hand 2 then Seat 2 is the button, seat 4 is the bb
In hand 3 seat 4 is the button, 5 sb, 6 bb.


[/ QUOTE ]

I don't recall having seen this happen. Do you have a hand history?

Just follow the BB. In the hands you initially posted it moves one seat each turn as it should with the SB and the Button being placed relative to the BB.

You only pay the SB if you payed the BB last hand.
You get the button if you are to the right of the SB. (which may be an empty seat)
The button is never an empty seat. thus the button appears to move backwards.
Which is less annoying than making people move seats.

I think it's just that some places move the button, and some places move the BB.

Party seems to move the BB.

[Beavis68]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I have not studied Party's rulebook, but this situation is a "dead button" that occurs routinely in B&M.

Paul

[/ QUOTE ]



What occured here is party using the dead button rule on a hand where the button went out not the small blind. I have never seen a casino institute a dead button rule when the button goes out, why would they.

[/ QUOTE ]

No, the way they did it was right. It's the two busts in a row that makes this strange. The wierdness is caused by the fact that even through party uses the Dead Button Rule, they don't have any way to allow an empty seat to have the button, so they just back it up until they find a player that's still in, which is effectively the same thing.

Here's what happened:

Hand 1:
Seat 5 is button
Seat 7 is SB (seat 6 apparently busted previously)
Seat 8 is BB
Hand Result: Seat 8 busts out.

Hand 2:
Button moves from seat 5 to seat 7
There is no SB since the BB busted last hand
Seat 9 is now the BB
Now, the Button busts out.

Hand 3:
Button moves from seat 7 to seat 8, but seat 8 is gone. If seat 7 hadn't busted last hand, he would get the button again, but since he's not there, it "backs up" to seat 5.
Seat 9 posts SB and Seat 1 posts BB as normal.

They way party handles it makes it a little confusing, but I'm pretty sure that this was kosher.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is exactly right, the BB progressed as it should. Seat nine had to pay both blinds, no one got screwed.

[aces961]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Anyone who has ever played a sit and go has seen the following happen:
In hand 1:seat 1 is the button, 2 sb, 3 bb and seat 3 is eliminated
In hand 2 then Seat 2 is the button, seat 4 is the bb
In hand 3 seat 4 is the button, 5 sb, 6 bb.


[/ QUOTE ]

I don't recall having seen this happen. Do you have a hand history?

Just follow the BB. In the hands you initially posted it moves one seat each turn as it should with the SB and the Button being placed relative to the BB.

You only pay the SB if you payed the BB last hand.
You get the button if you are to the right of the SB. (which may be an empty seat)
The button is never an empty seat. thus the button appears to move backwards.
Which is less annoying than making people move seats.

I think it's just that some places move the button, and some places move the BB.

Party seems to move the BB.

[/ QUOTE ]


***** Hand History for Game 1841785616 *****
100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10992923) - Mon Apr 04 00:22:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 16570 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: ZJustin (825)
Seat 2: kvazar (900)
Seat 3: rob42359 (2165)
Seat 5: norge1 (1410)
Seat 6: BelochKa (635)
Seat 7: BoiledOver (740)
Seat 8: aks47 (1015)
Seat 9: tahoerog (1425)
Seat 10: TEVOLVER (885)
TEVOLVER posts small blind (50)
ZJustin posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **


***** Hand History for Game 1841789106 *****
ZJustin finished in ninth place.
100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10992923) - Mon Apr 04 00:22:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 16570 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: kvazar (1775)
Seat 3: rob42359 (2165)
Seat 5: norge1 (1410)
Seat 6: BelochKa (635)
Seat 7: BoiledOver (740)
Seat 8: aks47 (1015)
Seat 9: tahoerog (1425)
Seat 10: TEVOLVER (835)
kvazar posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **

***** Hand History for Game 1841792088 *****
BelochKa finished in eighth place.
100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10992923) - Mon Apr 04 00:23:30 EDT 2005
Table Table 16570 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: kvazar (1675)
Seat 3: rob42359 (2065)
Seat 5: norge1 (1410)
Seat 7: BoiledOver (740)
Seat 8: aks47 (1015)
Seat 9: tahoerog (2260)
Seat 10: TEVOLVER (835)
rob42359 posts small blind (50)
norge1 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **

The seat numbers aren't the same as the ones I used but the skipping of one players big blind and ones small still occurs.

[barry111]

[ QUOTE ]


That's true at Stars, which has a Forward Moving Button rule. At Party, they use the Dead Button Rule, which means that a player CAN receive the button twice.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just another reason why I like Stars better the Party /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[dfscott]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Anyone who has ever played a sit and go has seen the following happen:
In hand 1:seat 1 is the button, 2 sb, 3 bb and seat 3 is eliminated
In hand 2 then Seat 2 is the button, seat 4 is the bb
In hand 3 seat 4 is the button, 5 sb, 6 bb.


[/ QUOTE ]

I don't recall having seen this happen. Do you have a hand history?

Just follow the BB. In the hands you initially posted it moves one seat each turn as it should with the SB and the Button being placed relative to the BB.

You only pay the SB if you payed the BB last hand.
You get the button if you are to the right of the SB. (which may be an empty seat)
The button is never an empty seat. thus the button appears to move backwards.
Which is less annoying than making people move seats.

I think it's just that some places move the button, and some places move the BB.

Party seems to move the BB.

[/ QUOTE ]


***** Hand History for Game 1841785616 *****
100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10992923) - Mon Apr 04 00:22:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 16570 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: ZJustin (825)
Seat 2: kvazar (900)
Seat 3: rob42359 (2165)
Seat 5: norge1 (1410)
Seat 6: BelochKa (635)
Seat 7: BoiledOver (740)
Seat 8: aks47 (1015)
Seat 9: tahoerog (1425)
Seat 10: TEVOLVER (885)
TEVOLVER posts small blind (50)
ZJustin posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **


***** Hand History for Game 1841789106 *****
ZJustin finished in ninth place.
100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10992923) - Mon Apr 04 00:22:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 16570 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: kvazar (1775)
Seat 3: rob42359 (2165)
Seat 5: norge1 (1410)
Seat 6: BelochKa (635)
Seat 7: BoiledOver (740)
Seat 8: aks47 (1015)
Seat 9: tahoerog (1425)
Seat 10: TEVOLVER (835)
kvazar posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **

***** Hand History for Game 1841792088 *****
BelochKa finished in eighth place.
100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10992923) - Mon Apr 04 00:23:30 EDT 2005
Table Table 16570 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: kvazar (1675)
Seat 3: rob42359 (2065)
Seat 5: norge1 (1410)
Seat 7: BoiledOver (740)
Seat 8: aks47 (1015)
Seat 9: tahoerog (2260)
Seat 10: TEVOLVER (835)
rob42359 posts small blind (50)
norge1 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **

The seat numbers aren't the same as the ones I used but the skipping of one players big blind and ones small still occurs.

[/ QUOTE ]

If that's how it happened, that's messed up. There should've been a hand between #2 and #3 that looked like:

100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10992923) - Mon Apr 04 00:22:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 16570 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: kvazar (1775)
Seat 3: rob42359 (2165)
Seat 5: norge1 (1410)
Seat 6: BelochKa (635)
Seat 7: BoiledOver (740)
Seat 8: aks47 (1015)
Seat 9: tahoerog (1425)
Seat 10: TEVOLVER (835)
kvazar posts small blind (50)
rob42359 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **

The button would technically be on seat 1, but since that seat busted, it would revert back to seat 10.

[dfscott]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


That's true at Stars, which has a Forward Moving Button rule. At Party, they use the Dead Button Rule, which means that a player CAN receive the button twice.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just another reason why I like Stars better the Party /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh! Not me. It would suck if I was waiting for the BB to come around and bust the short stack and then suddenly it skipped him.

[aces961]

[ QUOTE ]

If that's how it happened, that's messed up. There should've been a hand between #2 and #3 that looked like:

100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10992923) - Mon Apr 04 00:22:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 16570 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: kvazar (1775)
Seat 3: rob42359 (2165)
Seat 5: norge1 (1410)
Seat 6: BelochKa (635)
Seat 7: BoiledOver (740)
Seat 8: aks47 (1015)
Seat 9: tahoerog (1425)
Seat 10: TEVOLVER (835)
kvazar posts small blind (50)
rob42359 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **

The button would technically be on seat 1, but since that seat busted, it would revert back to seat 10.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well I know how it should be, but what happened above with 1 player missing the big and one missing the small happens at least once every 1 or 2 sit and goes I play and in a decent portion of the multitables as well. You just learn to accept that it happens if you want to continue playing on party.
I actually have no problem with how they handled the situation where the button moved backward if it wasn't for the fact that they handle this much more common situation the way they do. Essentially the answer I got from party support after about five emails on the subject was in the button moving backward situation we did that so everyone had to pay their blinds, in the other more common situation since no one in the button/sb/bb area was eliminated on the 2nd hand we don't bother with checking for blind accuracy and just advance the button one spot.

[dfscott]

I take it all back -- it just happened to me.

#Game No : 1856508418
***** Hand History for Game 1856508418 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:11076663 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Wednesday, April 06, 23:21:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 14919 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: hooper56 ( $1075 )
Seat 2: jefftn ( $745 )
Seat 4: drconn ( $1125 )
Seat 5: dfscott1 ( $655 )
Seat 6: downeast38 ( $2805 )
Seat 8: Evel_Knievel ( $1595 )
Trny:11076663 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 5d 8s ]
jefftn folds.
drconn folds.
dfscott1 folds.
downeast38 raises [450].
Evel_Knievel folds.
hooper56 calls [350].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, Kh, 9c ]
>You have options at Table 14948 Table!.
hooper56 is all-In [625]
downeast38 calls [625].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
hooper56 shows [ Ac, 9s ] a pair of nines.
downeast38 shows [ Th, Td ] a pair of tens.
hooper56 finished in sixth place.
downeast38 wins 2200 chips from the main pot with a pair of tens.
hooper56 has left the table.
Game #1856512982 starts.

#Game No : 1856512982
***** Hand History for Game 1856512982 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:11076663 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Wednesday, April 06, 23:22:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 14919 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: jefftn ( $745 )
Seat 4: drconn ( $1125 )
Seat 5: dfscott1 ( $655 )
Seat 6: downeast38 ( $3930 )
Seat 8: Evel_Knievel ( $1545 )
Trny:11076663 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 7s Qh ]
drconn folds.
>You have options at Table 14953 Table!.
>You have options at Table 14009 Table!.
dfscott1 folds.
downeast38 raises [400].
Evel_Knievel folds.
Evel_Knievel: chip monger spread the wealth
jefftn folds.
downeast38 does not show cards.
downeast38 wins 600 chips
>You have options at Table 14948 Table!.
Game #1856517006 starts.

#Game No : 1856517006
***** Hand History for Game 1856517006 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:11076663 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Wednesday, April 06, 23:22:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 14919 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: jefftn ( $545 )
Seat 4: drconn ( $1125 )
Seat 5: dfscott1 ( $655 )
Seat 6: downeast38 ( $4130 )
Seat 8: Evel_Knievel ( $1545 )
Trny:11076663 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 5h Jd ]
downeast38: lol
downeast38 folds.
Evel_Knievel folds.
>You have options at Table 14953 Table!.
jefftn is all-In [545]
downeast38: Evel, I think we have been on the same table before.
drconn folds.
dfscott1 calls [345].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 6h, 8c ]
Evel_Knievel: really
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
dfscott1 shows [ 5h, Jd ] a pair of sixes.
jefftn shows [ 4c, 4h ] two pairs, sixes and fours.
jefftn wins 1190 chips from the main pot with two pairs, sixes and fours.
Game #1856522805 starts.

This one really pissed me off because I expected to have one more hand before the BB hit me (guess I should've pushed with my Q).

I'll mail this to Party as well. Maybe if enough people do it, eventually they'll realize that it's wrong.

[Beavis68]

Yeah, that is not right, the button should have stayed with seat 8, and seat 4 taken the BB and two taken the SB, seat two skipped a blind.