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arkady
04-02-2005, 08:52 PM
SB here is passive, he shows aggression pre flop but then shuts down if misses post.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (11 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, SB folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Either the SB is really good or really bad. I am clueless here.
RaymondKHessel
04-02-2005, 08:56 PM
Wow.
Alobar
04-02-2005, 09:16 PM
what is your thought process on the turn? You immediately assume SB has a straight (or UTG)? Thats a prerrty big fold to make, just cuz some 10/20 donk raises in front of you on the turn.
arkady
04-02-2005, 09:39 PM
who said anything about some 'thought process'?
J.R.
04-02-2005, 09:47 PM
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Either the SB is really good or really bad.

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utg made the move, and you played bad. Have a really big bankroll, foster an inner confidence that you will win and 3-bet. If you are really scared of the sb a call could work but I like a 3-bet better against most folks.
arkady
04-02-2005, 09:58 PM
its either 3 bet or fold for me...and passive sb coming alive like that randomly just rubbed me the wrong way.
sam h
04-02-2005, 10:24 PM
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its either 3 bet or fold for me

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Why?
fyodor
04-02-2005, 11:21 PM
I would be more interested in your read on UTG. SB leading the turn could be a lot of things that wouldn't stop me from raising. UTG though could have a lot of things that would stop me. 55, 77, 88, J9, 87 all could have been played that way by a lot of players (ignoring the action after your fold)

What is this guy capable of playing that way that you beat though? A8?
arkady
04-02-2005, 11:52 PM
no idea, that def. would have helped i suppose

i am just trying to determine if this read was appropriately used, the limited read that i had.

surely folding KK facing 2 bets on the turn is a long term losing proposition. maybe i should just stop folding overpairs on unders, period. i can't imagine i am losing a whole lot calling down.