*OFFICIAL* Pokerroom $1000+0

[CardSharpCook]

with JJ on a cruise, someone has to start an "official". I'm in this one on table Athens. Gl all!!

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[Tyler Durden]

It's about time we got an official thread going. I'm in on table washington. ID is sup bro. GL.

[meatwad]

Table Denver here

[FakeKramer]

Anyone know if any big names are playing in this, and if so, what their IDs are?

[CardSharpCook]

just found out that there is no observor chat allowed.

[meatwad]

James Woods plays in this site alot. Dont know his knick

[iMsoLucky0]

I'm in. Table Paris. Down to 8500, then back to 11000 early. Same nick.

[iMsoLucky0]

Does anyone know where I can find the blind structure? I tried to talk to support about it, but they were, ahem, not very helpful.

[B Mando]

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ID is sup bro. GL.

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I knew that was a 2+2er! GL bro

[ace_in_the_hole]

How many players? and what is the payout structure?

[Pog0]

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Does anyone know where I can find the blind structure? I tried to talk to support about it, but they were, ahem, not very helpful.

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Blinds go up every 30 minutes, levels should be as follows (and there will never be any additional antes):

10/20
15/30
25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
200/400
300/600
400/800
500/1000
600/1200
800/1600
1000/2000
1500/3000
2000/4000
3000/6000
4000/8000
5000/10000
6000/12000
8000/16000
10000/20000
12000/24000
15000/30000
20000/40000
30000/60000
40000/80000
50000/100000

[Mad Genius1]

GL to the 2+2 crew. I'm not playing this one, but let's hope one of you takes it down. Keep us posted on how things are going.

[FakeKramer]

Woohoo! I'm not playing, but I have a small percentage of Lanceco2000, and he's 2nd in chips right now (not that these early chip counts matter for much). But still... win win win win. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[CardSharpCook]

Just made a big bluff. My read was right, but I let the player draw to two outs by bluffing the river instead of the turn or flop. The player caught the trips on the river, good for a boat, and left me with 4K chips. I'm happy with how I played the hand though.

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[CardSharpCook]

4300 chips.

Blah.

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[Tyler Durden]

t10,180 at the break. but it's a long tourney. so whatever. GL Cardsharp.

[meatwad]

i saw that. that was a tough river card. If he doesnt get the boat i dont think he calls. I'm surprised he just called. But i guess the bet was pretty big and its still early. Im down to 8500 chips after my QQ lost some chips to a flopped set of jacks.

[CardSharpCook]

are you fisherprice or papagallo?

[ZeeJustin]

I'm in. I've already lost 500 chips. I'm so shortstacked! I only have 9500 to work with!

Seriously though, I love this structure. It's better than a live tourney.

[iMsoLucky0]

Thanks Pogo, but I'm curious as to where you found that? I couldn't find it anywhere on the site, and their support couldn't help me either.

[Tyler Durden]

Anyone know how the timer works? I feel like I'm being rushed each time. How many seconds do we get to act? thanks much.

[meatwad]

fisherprice here

[Cleveland Guy]

I think you get like 30 seconds - and it will beep at you with like 10 seconds to go.

PS - just started watching you sup bro

[masonx]

yeah the structure is so awesome, i cant wait to play the next one. didnt have any money in my neteller or else i woulda.. and it takes to long to wait for a withdrawl from party...

[Cleveland Guy]

Tough one there on that low flush. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Tyler Durden]

moved to table birmingham w/ 11,105.

[ZeeJustin]

I misplayed that hand. I should have checked behind on thtat river. It's unlikely that I get called there by a worse hand.

[Cleveland Guy]

that was my thought too. oh well, only 75xBB for you now... LOL

[Cleveland Guy]

What did you fold on that Q high board getting 2-1 for your money aganst his all in?

[meatwad]

i see u back to 7.6K CSC /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Tyler Durden]

just lost set over set. down to 5155. crap.

[Cleveland Guy]

saw that one - thought you played it perfectly too.

I think you were losing to him no matter how you played it though.


Still curious about that fold to the guy who went all in for his last 2 grand.

[Tyler Durden]

i folded 88 on that Q high flop.

[NickDollar]

At table Glasgow. Not a regular of the 2+2 MTT section, but here I am! Same nick, GL all!

Currently at 8600, one medium pot where my straight flush draw missed is to blame.

[Tyler Durden]

what do you think of that fold, knowing i had 88?

[Cleveland Guy]

I think it's a tough one - but this early was probably a good one.

If I recall, there were 2 coordinated over cards? Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I think your ahead more than 33% of time here, but that's a lot of chips to call this early.

[NickDollar]

no content

[Tyler Durden]

t4255 at the second break, mostly due to that set over set fiasco. GL.

[CardSharpCook]

back up to 8100 chips. Very good hour for me. I had all 3500 of my chips in against a player who raised me on the flop of AK7 - I had AK. Turn 7, river 3 - I just called him down. He had JQo. Since then, just playing good PF poker. I'm worried that I have little Folding Equity at this table, but I'm trying to work with that.

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[Tyler Durden]

I'm pretty sure the flop was Q76 w/ a flush draw. It was tough to call w/o much of a read, I had just been moved.

That other hand where he bet half the pot on an Ace high flop after I had raised it pre, I folded JJ. Turns out I was right b/c he showed AQ. I didn't have enough of a stack (or sack, lol) to find out where I was at in the hand.

[suited_ace]

vnh w/ the 3s and 2s, CSC.

[CardSharpCook]

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vnh w/ the 3s and 2s, CSC.

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TY, I am just so glad I had it against that player. I have almost 0 FE against him. (which is very profitable in that situation - allowed me to value bet even with a 3-card flush on the board)

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[Cleveland Guy]

GL GUYS - gonna get off here and go have some dinner with the family!

[iMsoLucky0]

Ugh. How bad did I play this hand? :

No-limit Texas Hold'em $1,000+$0 (real money), #786,918,305
GRAND TOURNAMENT II Multi Table Tournament, 2 Apr 2005 5:28 PM ET



Seat 1: valsalva ($7,479 in chips)
Seat 2: Wolfdakota ($8,720 in chips)
Seat 3: iMsoLucky0 ($13,428 in chips)
Seat 4: Jonny Cash I ($3,612 in chips)
Seat 5: Up the creek ($13,495 in chips)
Seat 6: reddogwpb ($12,780 in chips)
Seat 7: thedonator13 ($18,190 in chips)
Seat 8: larry112 ($8,690 in chips)
Seat 9: deeznuts4 ($8,800 in chips)
Seat 10: Bissnatch ($4,806 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
deeznuts4 posts blind ($75), Bissnatch posts blind ($150).

PRE-FLOP
valsalva calls $150, Wolfdakota folds, iMsoLucky0 bets $450, Jonny Cash I folds, Up the creek folds, reddogwpb folds, thedonator13 folds, larry112 folds, deeznuts4 folds, Bissnatch folds, valsalva calls $300.

FLOP [board cards 7H,4C,10H ]
valsalva checks, iMsoLucky0 bets $750, valsalva bets $1,500, iMsoLucky0 calls $750.

TURN [board cards 7H,4C,10H,3D ]
valsalva bets $2,500, iMsoLucky0 bets $8,000, valsalva calls $3,029 and is all-in.

RIVER [board cards 7H,4C,10H,3D,6D ]

[Tyler Durden]

hard to say b/c we don't know your cards.

[iMsoLucky0]

lol, I'm an idiot. I had QQ. Forgot that their hand histories are weird.

[iMsoLucky0]

I went out. On the button with 5k chips. 6! (yes 6) limpers in front of me, blinds at 100 200. I make it 1300. MP2 limpraises allin. I call, he shows 22 and I'm gone.

[Tyler Durden]

sorry dude, what did you have, AK or AQ?

[CardSharpCook]

Another good hour, up to 15200K in chips. Ran into an interesting hand that I will post later. Chip leader just sat down at my table 15 min ago and I'm thinking he might have a little Gus Hansen in him. I'm a little worried.

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[Tyler Durden]

just 3500 at the second break. i loathe myself.

[NickDollar]

Up to T15775, one of top stacks at my table. Nearly everyone at my table is a donk, only one person I respect. No real interesting hands, just grinding it up!

GL again all!

[CardSharpCook]

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Nearly everyone at my table is a donk, only one person I respect.

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I can't believe this is true, and if you believe this, I would reexamine your table and perhaps your worldview as well.

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[iMsoLucky0]

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sorry dude, what did you have, AK or AQ?

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No, I had TT and he turned a duece. I forgot to put what I had again. Not thinkin real clear, I'm kinda pissed /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Tyler Durden]

out in 342nd. pushed from the BB w/ T8s over a loose raiser in LP, got called by 66. oh well, GL everyone.

[Rednax]

Zee, I missed that hand where Indie Girl had 3 Queens. Care to describe the action? TIA.

[CardSharpCook]

Well, I am a bluffing fool. (but we already knew that) Had 18K in chips, and J9o in the BB. Someone min raises, five callers, so I call too. 79T on the flop. I bet it out, player raises, all other fold. Turn is a T - board is a double flush, I check he bets, I put him all in, he calls with his trip 7s. Down to 4K chips. QQ got messed up when I tried to go AI PF, but instead min-re-raise. Ace flops, I fold. Played my short stack well and for a long time, but then 77 and 8BB chips gets called by A9s in the high-jack seat (why he calls here, I cannot fathom). He gets lucky, I don't, I go home. If only I could stop bluffing so much....

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[NickDollar]

You are probably right, I tend to judge tournament players too quickly as I am by nature a ring player. When I see rampant minraising and such I tend to autoclassify a bit too readily.

That being said, I did recently double up against someone who went allin for 1.5x the pot with no pair no draw.

T25000 at break 4.

[Gotmilk]

yeah i looked away for a second and looked back and you had no chips! i wondered what happened.

[CardSharpCook]

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yeah i looked away for a second and looked back and you had no chips! i wondered what happened.

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I think one of my holes is playing in family pots in the blinds with hands that I would normally fold. When I have a hand I intend to play PF, my mind is racing through hundreds of scenerios (What happens if player X raises before the action gets to me? What if I bet and the BB calls? What if I bet - the button calls, the BB calls and then leads out the flop? What if I limp in and the flop comes rags with two to a flush) Hundreds if not thousands of possibilities are racing through my head. I have millions of notions of how this particular hand will unfold. But when it is a family pot and I am in the BB, all I am thinking is, "huh, let's see what the flop is?" And then my aggressive poker nature dominates and is left largely unchecked by my inteligence (limited though it may be). Anyway, I absolutely butchered this hand and I should be shot.

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[Gotmilk]

oh well you have a couple ways to get lucky you could get lucky and everyone folds or get lucky and suckout. at least you werent drawing anywhere near dead in general. anyone else still in? $40k for me...

[CardSharpCook]

[ QUOTE ]
You are probably right, I tend to judge tournament players too quickly as I am by nature a ring player. When I see rampant minraising and such I tend to autoclassify a bit too readily.

That being said, I did recently double up against someone who went allin for 1.5x the pot with no pair no draw.

T25000 at break 4.

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This can be a pitfall in Limit as well, but as a Limit player, I do understand. I always try to remember that everyone else at my table (whatever table it may be) thinks that they are a pretty darn good poker player. They are making plays that they think are pretty good. They've used their intelligence to deduce the best possible action and then they acted accordingly. Now, you and I may have a better understanding of poker, or we may be more intelligent, but we cannot dismiss those at our table who, at times, arrive at the wrong conclusion.

My point? The next time you find yourself thinking "oh, that's just Joe, he'll bet anything." Think instead, "Ok, Joe has thought about this and has determined that his best chance of winning this pot (or maximazing his winnings) is to bet X here. Why does he think this, and how should I respond?

One more thing. Poker has a way of encouraging us to discount and disrespect other people. For some, they enter their poker world with this worldview already in place. For others, poker encourages these feelings which exist in us all. I think that in our efforts to be a "good person" AND a good poker player, we must actively keep a brighter worlview and constantly remind ourselves of the intrinsic value of our opponents. That is, remember our opponents are also good people just trying to make a buck or prove their poker worth.

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[CardSharpCook]

what is your screenname, gotmilk?

[Gotmilk]

bigwinnerman

[CCx]

ouch, just saw the hand you lost most of your stack on - good double up afterwards though and good luck (also if you can give your thoughts on the hand where you took the big hit at some point)

[Blackjack]

Is he at the final table?

[CCx]

No one is, it's a two day event.

[Gotmilk]

Yes, it was retarded...it was also the 4th time he had reraised me so i wanted to make a stand--sometimes i can't control myself.

[hank102977]

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TY, I am just so glad I had it against that player. I have almost 0 FE against him. (which is very profitable in that situation - allowed me to value bet even with a 3-card flush on the board)

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CardSharp,
I'm the guy that payed you off on the threes up hand. I play very few MTT, I usually just play them for fun, but I'd really like to take some steps to improve my MTT game. I was wondering if you would elaborate some on what you said about your folding equity against me. Do you remember any specific hands/plays that you saw me make that gave you this impression? I'd appreciate any incite that you can give me, thanks.

- Chris

[masonx]

OMG! Great Points, this deserves its own thread!

[NickDollar]

Truly a great post. Thank you for expanding my...I'm not sure exactly what....

I never really berate bad opponents openly or anything, and I considered myself more respecting than most. But I do certainly feel more aware and more understanding of my opponents after reading this.

It DOES deserve its own thread. thanks again!

[masonx]

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It DOES deserve its own thread. thanks again!

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oh and it got it

[Rednax]

[ QUOTE ]
One more thing. Poker has a way of encouraging us to discount and disrespect other people. For some, they enter their poker world with this worldview already in place. For others, poker encourages these feelings which exist in us all. I think that in our efforts to be a "good person" AND a good poker player, we must actively keep a brighter worlview and constantly remind ourselves of the intrinsic value of our opponents. That is, remember our opponents are also good people just trying to make a buck or prove their poker worth.

[/ QUOTE ]
Right on! And I think the worldview you're endorsing does make for a more successful poker player in all meanings of the word.

[bugstud]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
You are probably right, I tend to judge tournament players too quickly as I am by nature a ring player. When I see rampant minraising and such I tend to autoclassify a bit too readily.

That being said, I did recently double up against someone who went allin for 1.5x the pot with no pair no draw.

T25000 at break 4.

[/ QUOTE ]

This can be a pitfall in Limit as well, but as a Limit player, I do understand. I always try to remember that everyone else at my table (whatever table it may be) thinks that they are a pretty darn good poker player. They are making plays that they think are pretty good. They've used their intelligence to deduce the best possible action and then they acted accordingly. Now, you and I may have a better understanding of poker, or we may be more intelligent, but we cannot dismiss those at our table who, at times, arrive at the wrong conclusion.

My point? The next time you find yourself thinking "oh, that's just Joe, he'll bet anything." Think instead, "Ok, Joe has thought about this and has determined that his best chance of winning this pot (or maximazing his winnings) is to bet X here. Why does he think this, and how should I respond?

One more thing. Poker has a way of encouraging us to discount and disrespect other people. For some, they enter their poker world with this worldview already in place. For others, poker encourages these feelings which exist in us all. I think that in our efforts to be a "good person" AND a good poker player, we must actively keep a brighter worlview and constantly remind ourselves of the intrinsic value of our opponents. That is, remember our opponents are also good people just trying to make a buck or prove their poker worth.

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superb advice. I'm used to SH limit where donks are donks, ya know