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einbert
04-02-2005, 04:45 AM
LRR is bigtime LAG, the other guy is unknown but his numbers are 49/13/1.


Anyone fold to the turn raise?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (16 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (14 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (20 BB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB
kiddo
04-02-2005, 04:57 AM
Why are u betting turn? If u cant fold turn if he raises because he is so LAG that u dont know, I would much prefer checkcall. 2 players calling your cap on flop and then topcard pairs, I would not think I was ahead, but calling against a LAG, hoping he/they are on overpair.
wrto4556
04-02-2005, 05:07 AM
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the other guy is unknown but his numbers are 49/13/1.

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49 (loose)/ 13 (aggressive)/ 1 (passive).

I'd say you can fold the turn to the raise, but the pot is big and you are likely to get in a good C/r on the river for 4 extra bets when you spike your ace, covering the pot odds you aren't getting atm. If you choose that line, you have to fold the river UI because it doesn't work with the effective odds of calling river without filling up. Otherwise, you can C/c the turn and C/c the river if you feel like your hand is too good to fold but not good enough to bet.

/shrug
einbert
04-02-2005, 05:16 AM
Yeah i know what the numbers themselves mean, I just meant I didn't have a specific postflop read (although the numbers do indicate a balance between aggression and passivity).

Thanks, that is an interesting line.
wrto4556
04-02-2005, 05:19 AM
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Yeah i know what the numbers themselves mean...

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Jeff W
04-02-2005, 06:05 AM
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the other guy is unknown but his numbers are 49/13/1.

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49 (loose)/ 13 (aggressive)/ 1 (passive).

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For a VPIP 49 player, an AF=1 is aggressive. AF=(Raise%+Bet%)/(Call%). He is raising and betting with much weaker hands than a VPIP 25/AF 1 player, because his average hand strength is much lower.
Jeff W
04-02-2005, 06:09 AM
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Anyone fold to the turn raise?

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No. The pot lays you 19:1 and your odds of hitting a set are 44:2=22:1. You can definitely gain 3 additional BB on the river. Add to this the possibility that you have 2 Jacks as outs against a set and you have a clear call, even if you're surely behind.