Slow Rolling

[Dov]

Why does slow rolling and check raising make people so upset?

I actually was involved in breaking up a fight last night when someone thought he got slowrolled. (which did not actually happen)

The whole thing seems so silly to me.

I have some thoughts on this, but I want to hear what you guys think first so that I don't steer the thread.

Dov

[Drunken Monkey]

I was playing with a guy that slowrolled like every showdown he was in.

We were playing Omaha and when showdown would come he would say "I have two pair" and flip over two of his cards. I would then flip over my cards, announce I had the winning hand and drag the pot. He would then say "Oh I meant I have the flush" or whatever and then he would take the pot. Three times my chips got mixed in with the pot because my chipstack is not always the neatest thing on the table or he would actually wait for me to start stacking them. So not only is it annoying, but it is damaging to play. I should not have to deal with a player like that.

I should not have to go to a showdown, get shown a hand, show my better hand, and then have to make sure EVERY TIME that my hand is actually good.

[jojobinks]

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he would say "I have two pair" and flip over two of his cards. I would then flip over my cards, announce I had the winning hand and drag the pot. He would then say "Oh I meant I have the flush" or whatever and then he would take the pot. Three times my chips got mixed in with the pot because my chipstack is not always the neatest thing on the table or he would actually wait for me to start stacking them. So not only is it annoying, but it is damaging to play. I should not have to deal with a player like that.


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that's really bad.

[grimel]

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Three times my chips got mixed in with the pot because my chipstack is not always the neatest thing on the table or he would actually wait for me to start stacking them.

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Once they are in your stack keep them (any chips in your stack) once or twice. Tell him oops don't know what was in the pot and what was yours and you aren't giving chips to an a$$ hat.

[Ianco15]

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Why does slow rolling and check raising make people so upset?

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People shouldn't get mad when you check raise. That is part of the game. Slow rolling is not. When people purposely slow roll they (needlessly) lead you to believe that your hand is best before showing their winning hand. This can be infuriating. Some people who slow roll claim that they didn't realize their hand was best and didn't mean to slow roll. People who need help reading thier hand should turn it face up at the show down and let the dealer figure it out.

[InfernoLL]

Can someone define slow rolling? I've heard the term a lot lately but don't know exactly what it is.

[chesspain]

I'm surprised that anyone would not think that slowrollers are douchebags.

[niwotyalpi]

Repeated slow rolling in a home game is grounds for a severe ass beating. It has no place in the game, when the hand is at showdown, flip your cards period. At a casino, it gets more irritating, b/c u cant do [censored] about it really.

[Dov]

I just don't understand why people don't expose their hands in turn.

If you don't want to get slow rolled, don't show until your turn.

Any time you act out of turn, you give away more information than you should.

I agree that people who slow roll on purpose are assholes, but everyone else lets them do it. It seems to me that if you are so eager to act out of turn, then you shouldn't be upset when you get slow rolled.

If you are saying that someone who is acting in turn and pretending not to know he has a winner, then I understand the frustration. Similar comments apply to those who deliberately miscall their hands - especially in an attempt to get the winner to muck without showing.

But most of the situations I've seen involve people opening their hands out of turn.

Dov

[Onaflag]

Slowrolling is when you have the best hand at showdown but you deliberately let your opponent think he has won the hand before you flip over your cards and announce your hand.

The same people do it over and over and it just gets people pissed at the table. Maybe the psych forum can tell us why they do it, whether its for attention or power or trying to tilt the opponent, I don't care. When it happens to me (which is rare, thank you) I want to get up and bash the idiots skull into tiny little pieces and see how he plays cards without a friggin head.

Onaflag.............

[Popinjay]

There is another form of slowrolling, say you have AKss and you flop a royal flush. A guy pushes all in first to act on the flop, folded to you, and you spend 5 minutes deliberating before you finally call. That is obviously an extreme case.

[Photoc]

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I was playing with a guy that slowrolled like every showdown he was in.

We were playing Omaha and when showdown would come he would say "I have two pair" and flip over two of his cards. I would then flip over my cards, announce I had the winning hand and drag the pot. He would then say "Oh I meant I have the flush" or whatever and then he would take the pot. Three times my chips got mixed in with the pot because my chipstack is not always the neatest thing on the table or he would actually wait for me to start stacking them.

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First off, the dealer is an idiot for awarding a pot without killing all the losing hands first! You cannot award a pot on verbal declaration. Cards speak.

If I dont have all the losing cards in the muck, I'm not pushing the pot, plain and simple.

[Drunken Monkey]

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First off, the dealer is an idiot for awarding a pot without killing all the losing hands first! You cannot award a pot on verbal declaration. Cards speak.

If I dont have all the losing cards in the muck, I'm not pushing the pot, plain and simple.

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Sorry for the misconception, but this was not at a casino. I was playing in a home game that my friend invited me to. This was only the third time I played with the group, and the first time I actually played with this guy.

Also, since we were playing ohmaha he would flip over two of the four cards he had and announce the hand that they made. If I flipped up my hand and beat him he would flip up his other two cards if they beat my hand. By the end of the night I had told him 1000 times to flip up all his cards if he was in a showdown. The other players thought I was making a scene(or at least I think they did.) So, since it was not my place really to do anything I didn't deal with it anymore than asking him to flip over all his cards whenever I was in a showdown with him. I also did not give him any chips that made it to my stack when he slowrolled me. This helped the situation with me slightly(though it was still aggrivating.)

[MtDon]

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Slowrolling is when you have the best hand at showdown but you deliberately let your opponent think he has won the hand before you flip over your cards and announce your hand.


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I thought anyone who takes a long time to show their card as "slow rolling" - whether they have a good hand or not. Am I wrong?

It's not uncommon in the low limit games I play in for two or three players to wait several seconds before they show thier cards, waiting for someone else to show thier cards first. Often because they don't have a very good hand. That's annoying because it slows down the game. If this isn't "slow rolling" does it have a name?

Note: this is an honest question on terminology.

-- Don

[gasgod]

After the first such display of rudeness, I would insist that whenever he shows one or two cards, he must immediately show all of them, or muck the unshown cards.


GG

[Onaflag]

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Slowrolling is when you have the best hand at showdown but you deliberately let your opponent think he has won the hand before you flip over your cards and announce your hand.


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I thought anyone who takes a long time to show their card as "slow rolling" - whether they have a good hand or not. Am I wrong?

It's not uncommon in the low limit games I play in for two or three players to wait several seconds before they show thier cards, waiting for someone else to show thier cards first. Often because they don't have a very good hand. That's annoying because it slows down the game. If this isn't "slow rolling" does it have a name?

Note: this is an honest question on terminology.

-- Don

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Good question. I don't know. I suppose that could qualify as SRing as well, but I'm not sure.

Onaflag...........

[Andy B]

If you have a weak hand and just wait your turn to show, that is not slow-rolling. Slow-rolling is when you have every reason to believe that you have the best hand, but wait until others have shown first, even if they are technically showing out of turn.

[chesspain]

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If you are saying that someone who is acting in turn and pretending not to know he has a winner, then I understand the frustration.

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Ding Ding Ding!

[grimel]

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When it happens to me (which is rare, thank you) I want to get up and bash the idiots skull into tiny little pieces and see how he plays cards without a friggin head.

Onaflag.............

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I like your style.

[PokerFink]

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I thought anyone who takes a long time to show their card as "slow rolling" - whether they have a good hand or not. Am I wrong? It's not uncommon in the low limit games I play in for two or three players to wait several seconds before they show thier cards, waiting for someone else to show thier cards first. Often because they don't have a very good hand. That's annoying because it slows down the game.

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Waiting to show a weak, probably losing hand is not slow rolling. This comes up a lot in this sort of situation:

Player A bets the river, player B calls. Player A shows the winner, player B spends 5 seconds looking at his hand and the board to make sure he has lost. Player B then mucks. This is NOT a slowroll, and is acceptable as long as player B does not take an inordinate amount of time to muck.

Yeah, it slows the game down slightly, but isn't a big deal.

[Dov]

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If you have a weak hand and just wait your turn to show, that is not slow-rolling. Slow-rolling is when you have every reason to believe that you have the best hand, but wait until others have shown first, even if they are technically showing out of turn.

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Why does it matter if your hand is weak or not?

If it's your turn, just open your hand or muck.

Waiting for someone else to open first, makes them act out of turn, which makes you act out of turn and slowroll if you are the winner.

Am I wrong here?