Couple of PP15/30 Pocket Pair Hands

[I Play 2 Ski]

So I just recently made the leap from 5/10 sh to this glorious game and I figuure its also a good time to be more proactive about my education. Here are a couple of hands from last night.

Hand 1:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(18/12/2.5 Player)/ raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.66 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">18/12/2.5 Player bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds.

I saw little reason to 3 bet this pre flop. UTG is a tight and relatively decent player who hasn't been in many hands. I read him for Aces or Kings or AK. I don't think I am giving up much dumping this on the flop.

Hand 2:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO posts a blind of $15.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 :#A500AF(42/16/2.1 LAG)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">42/16/2.1 LAG raises</font>, MP3 folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, 42/16/2.1 LAG calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, 42/16/2.1 LAG folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Pretty much standard fare here. I think I only preceed differently here if he aps the flop.

Hand 3:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO :#A500AF(62/5/.85 Player)/ calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, 62/5/.85 Player calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, 62/5/.85 Player checks.

River: (5.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, 62/5/.85 Player folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

I don't know, looks ok to me. What the hell else should I do on the turn?

Hand 4:

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of $15.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 :#A500AF(New Player)/ raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 :#A500AF(New Player)/ calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP1 checks, New Player checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, MP1 folds, New Player calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
New Player checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, New Player calls.

River: (10 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
New Player checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Bet this river? I think I only get called if I am beat. I got no read on this guy what so ever.

[La Brujita]

Hand 1

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I saw little reason to 3 bet this pre flop. UTG is a tight and relatively decent player who hasn't been in many hands. I read him for Aces or Kings or AK. I don't think I am giving up much dumping this on the flop.

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I have no problem dumping this on the flop based on your opinion of bettor but how the heck to you read UTG for AA AK or KK. Information you have:

1. he raises 12% of hands, that gives a pretty wide range.

2. A on flop. That reduces chance of AA or AK holding.

3. He checked flop, reduces chance of AK at least.

4. MP bets, further reducing AA or AK holding.

Hand 2:

Consider raise preflop. I am not sure about this 3 bet on flop. I wouldn't do it but wonder if that is a problem on my end. A few gutshots on board but a jack seems likely and I might just take this to showdown a bit cheap.

Hand 3:

I might muck preflop. If I raised I would strongly consider betting the turn as well.

Hand 4:

I don't mind a river check since so many draws came home. 9h I value bet river.

[philnewall]

Hand 1 is too weak, if you'd 3-bet and gotten capped then your flop fold would be fine, as it is I don't like it.

Hand 2 is fine.

hand 3, fold this in MP1, but since you raised I would bet flop and turn, folding to any raises along the way going for the free river showdown. I dunno what you were doing on the river there after checking the turn. A better hand isn't folding since you checked turn, and the value seems a bit slim.

hand 4s ok aswell.

[I Play 2 Ski]

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3. He checked flop, reduces chance of AK at least.


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He bet the flop and it was called. It was an aggressive game, open raising UTG from a decent player says if a overcard to your Q's flop be done with the hand.

[La Brujita]

Sorry, I misread the action. I agree after call letting the hand go is a very reasonable option. That being said, I don't agree with your statement that you are done with qq after an overcard flops when a 12% raiser bets into you. Of course A is worse than K. I think you will give up to much if you always dump qq to a preflop raiser who bets here (if we disregard middle player's action).

[I Play 2 Ski]

say I 3 bet my ladies, I should lead on the flop and fold to a raise?

[La Brujita]

I would have 3 bet preflop and I will be the first to admit holding QQ first to act when an ace flops is a very uncomfortable place to be in.

If its heads up and I am out of position I bet. I do wonder how many players/how often people will raise you here with any pocket pair trying to take it away.

I guess that analysis (the likelihood he is making a play at you) determines your actions thereafter.

I have noticed with the aggressive nature of the game these plays do occur somewhat often. If you threebet and were fourbet preflop then perhaps it is easier to get away from this hand.

I am curious what others do here.