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DavidC
03-31-2005, 07:39 PM
Most of you know that at the 2+2 tables we often get someone or a couple someones who blast away at the pot with very little to nothing. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

This post serves to show people new to the forums what they can expect, and to be used kinda as evidence in my next post (just that yes, there are indeed crazy people at the table). In the spirit of that, the results are shown for these hands.

As a newb, just remember, please don't whine about the aggression (even if it's retarded), because a lot of these guys can and will destroy you in the future.

Just so I don't forget, the table is pretty TAA other than the lags. The guys labelled TAA are a little trickier and more aggressive than most, and are somewhat adapted to using the LAGs as weapons. I didn't have PT/PV up, but I was watching the table so I had a decent idea of who was tricky, who was striaght-forward, and who was currently being a crazy bastiche.

This is my first 10 hands in the session, before I'd really adjusted to the table.

Hand 7 and 10 I should have raised pre-flop. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Hand 8, one of the LAGS said "Straddle!" AFTER raising UTG. Not a good sign. I thought I was in trouble but I didn't lisetn to my gut, so I paid him off. I swear to god, after that hand, I couldn't feel my feet OR my helmet!

I did learn, over the course of my 136-hand session, that playing with LAGs has A LOT of variance!

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1:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB(LAA1) raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB(LAA1) caps</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, LAA1 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, LAA1 calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results:
BB has Ks 5d (two pair, queens and tens).
LAA1 has 3s 4h (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: BB wins 13.50 BB.

2:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO(TAA3) posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG(TAA2) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3(TAA1) 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG(TAA2) calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
TAA2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">TAA1 bets</font>, TAA2 folds.

Final Pot: 4.75 BB

Results:
MP2 doesn't show.
TAA1 doesn't show.
Outcome: TAA1 wins 4.50 BB. MP2 wins 0.25 BB.

3:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO(LAA1) 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB(LAA2) caps</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, CO(LAA1) calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">LAA1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">LAA2 caps</font>, UTG calls, LAA1 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA2 bets</font>, UTG calls, LAA1 calls.

River: (15.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA2 bets</font>, UTG calls, LAA1 folds.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

Results:
LAA2 has 3c Ks (two pair, aces and kings).
UTG has As Jh (three of a kind, aces).
MP1 doesn't show.
Outcome: UTG wins 17.50 BB.

4:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3(LAA1) raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3(LAA1) caps</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, LAA1 calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results:
LAA1 has Tc 5h (one pair, eights).
CO has Ad 3d (two pair, aces and eights).
Outcome: CO wins 11.75 BB.

5:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2(TAA1) 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, UTG+2(TAA1) calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, TAA1 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, TAA1 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, TAA1 calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Results:
UTG+1 has 2s 7s (one pair, sevens).
TAA1 has Ad Jh (one pair, aces).
Outcome: TAA1 wins 9.75 BB.

6:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1(TAA1) calls, UTG+2(TAA3) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, TAA1 calls, TAA3 folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: (3.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, TAA1 folds.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Results:
No showdown. Hero wins 4.25 BB.

7:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1(TAA3) calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2(LAA2) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+1(TAA3) calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">TAA3 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">LAA2 3-bets</font>, BB calls, TAA3 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">TAA3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">LAA2 raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">TAA3 3-bets</font>, LAA2 calls, BB calls.

River: (16.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">TAA3 bets</font>, LAA2 folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

Results:
BB has Qd Td (one pair, queens).
TAA3 has As 5s (two pair, aces and fives).
Outcome: TAA3 wins 18.75 BB.

8:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG(LAA1) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG(LAA1) caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">LAA1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, LAA1 calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">LAA1 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

Results:
LAA1 has Ac As (two pair, aces and threes).
Hero has Qc Jc (two pair, jacks and threes).
Outcome: LAA1 wins 16.75 BB.

9:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1(LAA2) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO (poster) calls, Button(TAA1) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB(LAA1) 3-bets</font>, UTG+1(LAA2) calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button(TAA1) caps</font>, BB(LAA1) calls, UTG+1(LAA2) calls, CO calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, LAA2 calls, CO folds, TAA1 calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, LAA2 calls, TAA1 calls.

River: (12.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAA1 bets</font>, LAA2 folds, TAA1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

Results:
LAA1 has Qc 7h (three of a kind, queens).
TAA1 doesn't show.
Outcome: LAA1 wins 14.75 BB.

10:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB(LAA1) raises</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
LAA1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, LAA1 folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results:
No showdown. BB wins 8 BB.

bottomset
04-01-2005, 01:24 AM
when I sit down i try to run about 50/40 or higher .. but if the table is playing too standard its no fun, unless a fellow maniac is across the table to sandwich the babies playing normal

its quite the change from the 22/12 i normally run nowadays

besides all hands should start livestraddle, restraddle, blind cap its much more fun especially with a couple coldcallers