sngs better for building bankroll than microlimit holdem?

[MikeR]

Found these numbers as good starting bankrolls for sng play.

$300-$600 (10/1 SNGs)
$600-$1000 (20/2 SNGs)
$1000-$1700 (30/3 SNGs)
$1700-$3500 (50/5 SNGs)
$3500-$7000 (100/9 SNGs)
$7000+ (200/15 SNGs)

Do you think sngs are a quicker way to build up a bankroll? For example, with a $300 br, you'd be playing .50/1.00 limit, where single tabling you might make a good rate at about $1.50 -$2.00 an hour, or you could play 10/1 sngs, which I find last about an hour, and 3rd place finishes would put you at around $9 an hour? Don't know alot of people who exclusively play sngs, but I would think that the competition isn't great at the 10/1 range.

[ZebraAss]

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Don't know alot of people who exclusively play sngs, but I would think that the competition isn't great at the 10/1 range.

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Thats because you dont post/read here.

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Do you think sngs are a quicker way to build up a bankroll?

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Not if you suck.

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but I would think that the competition isn't great at the 10/1 range.

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There isn't an "easy road" to learning how to play SNG's. But the 10/1 level is where you start.

[MikeR]

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or you could play 10/1 sngs, which I find last about an hour, and 3rd place finishes would put you at around $9 an hour?

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Hmmm. Someone just answered on another forum that this assumes an 80% ROI which is not realistic. Ooops.

[lorinda]

Someone just answered on another forum that this assumes an 80% ROI which is not realistic.

Only as not realistic as 9 BB/hr at .5/1


Lori

[MikeR]

Some people make 9BB/100 at the microlimits. Are you saying the 80% ROI in 10/1 sngs is realistic? (this is not a challenging question, but a sincere one, I bow to the knowledge of the sng specialists in this forum)

[ZebraAss]

80% ROI

To quote a previous thread...

"Jesus can't even pull those numbers!"

-Zebra

PS: And no...im not talking about the poker player

[lorinda]

I don't believe the 9/100 figure, but even if it is true then that is something like $4.5 per 45 minutes which IS attainable in $11 SNGs

Lori

[rickr]

Where are you coming up with your $9 an hour from? Your not going to make $9 an hour single tabling $10's.

Later,

Rick

[Alpha Fhish]

I wish I could make $9/hr singling 10+1s. My life would be set. SIGH /images/graemlins/ooo.gif
-Fhish

[Alpha Fhish]

I should build my post rep by putting useless posts like this one but i wont cus ill be a troll like thecrimsonpill5. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[ZebraAss]

haha...nice.

[MikeR]

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Hmmm. Someone just answered on another forum that this assumes an 80% ROI which is not realistic. Ooops.

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[MikeR]

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Hmmm. Someone just answered on another forum that this assumes an 80% ROI which is not realistic. Ooops.

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[Slim Pickens]

To compare single tabling 0.5/1 to 10+1 SnG's, I'd guess a "typical" learning SnG player at the 11's (read: me) could expect to make $5/hr. That's a 20% ROI with a little bit of multitabling (multitable utilization = 1.13, holy jebus I actually used that stat). Based on what I know about variance in different games, SnG's are less likely to bust you if you're a winning player, and alternately, you can play higher limits with the same bankroll as compared to ring games thus moving you up faster.

You should be able to move up faster than your ROI will become at all meaningful, so I'd say just have a go at it. Your bankroll guidelines look fairly standard, maybe a touch aggressive.

Oh and, yes, the competition at the 11's is not great.

Slim

[stupidsucker]

Allow me to try to help.

Lets break it down...

IF you study and learn SnGs THEN you can ahieve these numbers. It takes some time and bruises, but here is the best place to start.

At a 10+1 table a solid winning player can expect to make about a 20-35% roi. RoI means Return on Investment. Calculated by Netprofit/buyins(+fees). For example.. I play a total of 10 $11 SnGs and I place in 40% of them(this is fairly normal for a winning player at the 10s) I get 1st x1($50), 2nd x2($60), and 3rd x1(20)... My NETprofit is $20, my buyins+fees is $110.

So...$20/$110= 18% roi This is about $2/tourny

Ok now we have an IDEA of what you MIGHT make while playing SnGs. Your real $$$ comes from the ability to multi table. This would be the same for the micros too.(I consider .5-1 to be low limit not micro, but doesnt matter)...

IF you can multi table you can expect about 5tournies/hour or $10/hour using an 18% roi.(This assumes 4 tables at once) The variance in SnGs is TINY compared to limit poker as well.

IN short.

You can expect to make between $2-$3 per table at $10 SnGs. If you play them 1 at a time then they take about 45 minutes to complete.. How many you can handle at once is your task to deal with. How much can you make at the other game is beyond my knowledge, but rest assure that the info I gave you on SnGs is conserativly accurate.

Using $2.50/table
1tabling about $3.33/hour
2tabling $6.66/hour
4tabling (5tables/hour) $12.50/hour

hope this helps

[TheUsher]

Never really did the math for the 10's but wow that's almost like real work if you 4table and make $12.50/hr. I don't think many people would have the heart to lose $100 on a normal swing there while making the $2.50 per SNG.

[general]

Please be sure to accomodate for not being as good when you play more than one table. You will likely not be paying attention to players at the different tables as you play. You will miss out on hints and clues and also not pay attention to the timing of what people are doing. A good player would still win without this, but not win as often. This is of course excluding the fact that taking notes on players (you would need to do this unless you can instantly memorize 36 players betting habits) is just painful when screens are always popping up. Also, everyone at the tables will hate you being you'll be the slow person every time. You'll also have less time for making decisions.

[stupidsucker]

A smart player is always going to have a better roi while single tabling opposed to more... But Unless you are easliy overwhelmed then the $/hour gained is pricless compared to the meanial tells you will get at a 10+1 table.

SnGs are an ABC game with tells giving a slightly better edge.. You cant be a winner without the ABC first.

[TheUsher]

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Please be sure to accomodate for not being as good when you play more than one table. You will likely not be paying attention to players at the different tables as you play. You will miss out on hints and clues and also not pay attention to the timing of what people are doing. A good player would still win without this, but not win as often. This is of course excluding the fact that taking notes on players (you would need to do this unless you can instantly memorize 36 players betting habits) is just painful when screens are always popping up. Also, everyone at the tables will hate you being you'll be the slow person every time. You'll also have less time for making decisions.

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Was this directed to me somehow or just everyone in general?