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therockofgibraltar

03-31-2005, 07:51 AM

when that flush came??

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (25.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 28.25 BB

xenthebrain

03-31-2005, 07:58 AM

no way you should fold that for one bet

milesdyson

03-31-2005, 08:00 AM

How did you call the river twice? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

But yeah, just call it. You'll win enough to at least break even on the call, and that one time you do fold the winner, you'll kill yourself (which is -EV).

LuckyStrike

03-31-2005, 08:01 AM

You have a straight and you're getting 26:1 to call. You cannot fold this hand.

Also, I'd be inclined to fold JTo preflop. Other than that, nice hand.

tomcain

03-31-2005, 08:11 AM

I also would have folded pf, but you cannot fold this on the river.

Tom

therockofgibraltar

03-31-2005, 08:12 AM

fold JT on the button when no one has shown strength?!?! I never do that....

therockofgibraltar

03-31-2005, 08:14 AM

some trouble with converter. it was bet-I called-raise-call-I call.

After that raise+call I knew for sure I was in trouble

Womble

03-31-2005, 10:05 AM

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Also, I'd be inclined to fold JTo preflop. Other than that, nice hand.

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Usually that would be correct, you need alot of callers BEFORE to play JTo, 2-3 so that you get the odds when you hit like this!

Good PF call

DoctorDrew

03-31-2005, 10:09 AM

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You have a straight and you're getting 26:1 to call. You cannot fold this hand.

Also, I'd be inclined to fold JTo preflop. Other than that, nice hand.

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Agree you have to call the river. No way I am folding this on the button with 3 limpers already in.

LuckyStrike

03-31-2005, 11:14 AM

Does it really have good enough implied odds to play, even with three limpers? JTo has dubious high card strength and good connectedness and that's all. Maybe I'm a little tight, but I still lean towards folding this one preflop.

Yobz

03-31-2005, 01:19 PM

I think I would raise the flop for value...anyone agree?

LuckyStrike

03-31-2005, 01:23 PM

Nah. You've only got six outs to the nuts, and two partial outs to the nut straight but which would complete a potential flush. You don't have any overs to help you win either. This is a decent draw but not strong enough to raise, in my opinion.

bottomset

03-31-2005, 01:28 PM

so UTG+1 checkraised the river?? well if he had the flush he played it pretty bizarre

no you can't fold the nutstraight on a 3flush board for 1 or 2bets without a super rocksolid read i.e. the raiser has only ever raised with the nuts over 500hands otherwise throw the chips in

bozlax

03-31-2005, 01:38 PM

Hold on. Since you've got 6 clean outs on the flop, you're 4-1-ish to make your nut straight by the river, right? So, with 5 callers, the raise would, by definition, be for value.

That said, I don't think I'd do it, either, for fear of knocking out the player to my left facing 2 cold, and for fear of being 3-bet by the original bettor which might knock out the players between.

LuckyStrike

03-31-2005, 01:55 PM

Yeah, around 20% equity I think. You've also got a little more than six outs because you have to count the two straight cards that would also make the flush, so I'd put your equity at 25%. If you raise, it's about a breakeven proposition with three others in for sure and you may knock out the other guy after making him face two cold. He may also call though, which would be a boon for you. It's a lot closer than I originally thought but I'd still just call.