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FishHooks
03-31-2005, 03:05 AM
I was just curious as to how long it takes to be able to just shrug off a 100BB+ downswing? I've had downswings before but over the last 700 hands, i've dropped 100 BB, which is one fast downswing, now i'm just scared to play tomorrow lol I've gotten better at taking losses for the day, but this downswing sucked because it was so fast. My first downswings were easier to take because a lot of it was my fault when i first stated out, I've been reviewing my downswing it PT, posting hands in the micro-limit forum (been getting yelled at for flooding). This swing has been the worst because i know its mostly not from my play and losing pots to hugely dominated hands over and over just really sucks.
How long it takes to shrug it off depends on who you are I guess. I used to have a much harder time with downswings, these days I don't really. I think a lot of that comes from going through a lot of them. 100 bet swings are pretty common for me, I had one in that range this weekend. If I let myself get upset about each one I'd be miserable, so I just learn to not care I guess.
x2ski
03-31-2005, 03:39 AM
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I was just curious as to how long it takes to be able to just shrug off a 100BB+ downswing? I've had downswings before but over the last 700 hands, i've dropped 100 BB, which is one fast downswing, now i'm just scared to play tomorrow lol I've gotten better at taking losses for the day, but this downswing sucked because it was so fast. My first downswings were easier to take because a lot of it was my fault when i first stated out, I've been reviewing my downswing it PT, posting hands in the micro-limit forum (been getting yelled at for flooding). This swing has been the worst because i know its mostly not from my play and losing pots to hugely dominated hands over and over just really sucks.
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Wow, a lot of posts in the last ten days...
anyway, I like to think that 60BB downswings in a day are nothing to be concerned about, but the more I play the more I think about revamping it to 100BBs.
It happens man, so as long as your bankroll isn't in dire straits, keep on truckin' on.
AngryCola
03-31-2005, 05:33 AM
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anyway, I like to think that 60BB downswings in a day are nothing to be concerned about, but the more I play the more I think about revamping it to 100BBs.
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This is true.
100 BBs can start to stress a person a little, but it shouldn't.
Even a good player who plays only one table online can go through a downswing like that in one session. It shouldn't happen very often (in one session), but it does happen.
Alobar
03-31-2005, 10:35 AM
I poop on 100BB downswings!!!!
For me its a factor of how many ive had at a limit. A 100BB downswing at 5/10 is just another day at the office. A 100BB downswing at 10/20 and I still feel sick to my stomach. I have a hard time forgetting about dollar amounts (I know, im working on it tho).
Its also a factor of how big my bankroll is, if I havent cashed in a while, and Ive got 700BB sitting in my account it doesnt bother me as much as when I had 400BB.
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I was just curious as to how long it takes to be able to just shrug off a 100BB+ downswing? I've had downswings before but over the last 700 hands, i've dropped 100 BB, which is one fast downswing, lol I've gotten better at taking losses for the day, but this downswing sucked because it was so fast. My first downswings were easier to take because a lot of it was my fault when i first stated out, I've been reviewing my downswing it PT, posting hands in the micro-limit forum (been getting yelled at for flooding). This swing has been the worst because i know its mostly not from my play and losing pots to hugely dominated hands over and over just really sucks.
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After you've played enough poker, you take these 100BB swings in stride. They happen, at times more often than others, and just realize its part of a poker player's variance. Alternately, you could tighten up and play less hands, which would decrease your variance but you are still not "safe" from a given N BB downswing. They happen, learning to deal with them is essential if you want to continue as a poker player.
One thing you mentioned...
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now i'm just scared to play tomorrow
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is a problem. If you are playing scared, you are better off not playing. Take the time to analyze your play and come back confident, or drop limits to one in which you are more comfortable. Playing scared poker isn't going to help your play or your downswing any.
Good luck.
Belok
03-31-2005, 11:40 AM
Well I play alot more tables/hour than your average poker joe, but the result should be the same for everyone else, just spread out.
After using the "streaks" spreadsheet and plugging in my stats, over 2000 play hours, I can expect a 300BB slide. Of course I play 12 tables at a time, so your average 4 tabler might see something like that spread over 6000 hours.
The fact is, though, that some time over a year of play, I'll probably have a loss 300BBs. My biggest so far was about 150, and that didnt really even phase me too much. I think 300 would be a real mindblow though.
Anyway, my point is: 100BB slides arent just another day at the office, but they arent by any means irregular. 200 are highly irregular, and 300+ seem like a dive that only a pro should expect.
Unless of course you're a losing player. Then you could easily lose 25,000 big bets (IE ellix powers losing 1000$ at penny poker)
FishHooks
03-31-2005, 01:06 PM
Yea I know, it definatly is a problem, going to reread SSHE again, I always get something out of the book each time i read.
Justin A
03-31-2005, 01:54 PM
100 big bets in 700 hands isn't actually that fast. 200 hands is fast.
FishHooks
03-31-2005, 01:55 PM
ooh, well i've only been playing for about 2.5 months online, just seemed fast to me.
jnalpak
03-31-2005, 02:01 PM
Had my first 100BB downswing two days ago...I think i flinched for a second and thought "Wow i just lost 100BB" and then the next second i thought "WOW, i love having a bankroll that can withstand such a hit"
moral of the story, keep your Bankroll solid and move on.
the moment your bankroll takes a 25% dip its time to reevaluate your situation.
BTW, i won a $30 SNG so i made up for 90% of the loss...go me!
I have a 120bb downswing at the moment at 3/6$ It sucks, but because I had /images/graemlins/cool.gif a 600bb bankroll I don't have any stress yet
FishHooks
03-31-2005, 04:36 PM
I had about a 600 BB bankroll too for the 1/2 was about to move up to 2/4 because the games are supposedly juicier there, but now i can't move up. I guess i just have a little more value on money because i'm only 18 and never had a real job, losing $200 in 5 hours was just kinda a shock, got to get over it though.
bernie
03-31-2005, 06:20 PM
When you go on a 200+ BB downswing, a 100BB swing will feel like a vacation.
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Bluffoon
03-31-2005, 06:23 PM
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I was just curious as to how long it takes to be able to just shrug off a 100BB+ downswing? I've had downswings before but over the last 700 hands, i've dropped 100 BB, which is one fast downswing, now i'm just scared to play tomorrow lol I've gotten better at taking losses for the day, but this downswing sucked because it was so fast. My first downswings were easier to take because a lot of it was my fault when i first stated out, I've been reviewing my downswing it PT, posting hands in the micro-limit forum (been getting yelled at for flooding). This swing has been the worst because i know its mostly not from my play and losing pots to hugely dominated hands over and over just really sucks.
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You will be able to shrug off a 100BB downswing once you have had a couple that are over 200BB.
After a 300+BB downswing you wont even notice when you drop 100BBs.
Harv72b
03-31-2005, 11:37 PM
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I was just curious as to how long it takes to be able to just shrug off a 100BB+ downswing? I've had downswings before but over the last 700 hands, i've dropped 100 BB, which is one fast downswing, now i'm just scared to play tomorrow lol I've gotten better at taking losses for the day, but this downswing sucked because it was so fast. My first downswings were easier to take because a lot of it was my fault when i first stated out, I've been reviewing my downswing it PT, posting hands in the micro-limit forum (been getting yelled at for flooding). This swing has been the worst because i know its mostly not from my play and losing pots to hugely dominated hands over and over just really sucks.
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Shrug off? Dunno; haven't gotten there yet. Accepting them and realizing that they will end and you'll keep winning if you play the same poker...that varies from person to person. I got there about 3 months into my online "career", when I survived my first 150+ BB downswing.
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