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riffraff

03-31-2005, 01:11 AM

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, Button calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (19.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero ...???

istewart

03-31-2005, 01:17 AM

I'd raise/call a 3-bet, personally.

SteveL91

03-31-2005, 01:41 AM

What do you know about the BB?

For example, how aggressively does he push a flush draw on the flop? How about an OESD? Does he get tunnel-vision and blindly bet/raise regardless of the action with any piece of the board? Is he passive enough to check QQ? Ect, ect.

I tend to doubt he was pushing an OESD like 89 on the flop because of his turn action; along the same vane, I tend to doubt he's on a flush draw. His line really doesn't make much sense if he has top set; likewise, a set of 77s seems hard to believe as well. I think you'll see two pair more often than anything else if the BB is at all decent. I probably raise the river, but considering how confusing his line is, I don't think calling is a huge mistake.

riffraff

03-31-2005, 02:18 AM

I don't know much about the player as I hadn't been at the table very long.

I've capped the flop, raised the turn, now he bets out again with the best river card I could hope for. I really thought I had defined my hand pretty well yet he still bets the river. I can't think of any other hand except 77 that would play it like this. I raise anyways and call the 3-bet to see it. He played almost as if our hands were turned face up and I was outplayed.

FreakDaddy

03-31-2005, 02:22 AM

This must be one of those trick questions right?? /images/graemlins/smile.gif What are you afraid of here? Raise.

SteveL91

03-31-2005, 02:27 AM

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I don't know much about the player as I hadn't been at the table very long.

I've capped the flop, raised the turn, now he bets out again with the best river card I could hope for. I really thought I had defined my hand pretty well yet he still bets the river. I can't think of any other hand except 77 that would play it like this. I raise anyways and call the 3-bet to see it. He played almost as if our hands were turned face up and I was outplayed.

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I honestly don't see it as you being out-played. Set-over-set happens, and I think the villain played his hand rather poorly. Not much to take solace in, but I guess it's better than nothing. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

istewart

03-31-2005, 02:33 AM

yellowjack

03-31-2005, 02:42 AM

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I honestly don't see it as you being out-played. Set-over-set happens, and I think the villain played his hand rather poorly.

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NAU_Player

03-31-2005, 02:55 AM

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I'd raise/call a 3-bet, personally.

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I think Q7, 76, Q6 would also play it similarly.

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Evan

03-31-2005, 03:36 AM

On the flop I'd jsut call the 3 bet and raise the turn as BB will almost surely lead.

As for the river, given the way you played it, easy raise. If he 3 bets I'd cap. This is way more likely to be some random 2 pair than a hands that beats you. 98 got there on the turn. but just calling your raise wouldn't make a lot of sense for a guy holding the nuts. There is a chance that its 77 and even TT I suppose (depending on how passive this guy is). But the inability to get 5 bet makes a cap look very attractive to me.