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LethalRose
03-30-2005, 09:59 PM
Very beginning of 25+2 tournament...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1600)
Button (t1130)
SB (t1335)
BB (t1985)
UTG (t2455)
UTG+1 (t355)
UTG+2 (t1045)
MP1 (t975)
MP2 (t2200)
Hero (t1445)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls [t1335] t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t1260.

Flop: (t1380) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t1380) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1380) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1380


When he pushed i was fairly certain he had AK or 2 overcards, this guy would raise less with AA or KK.

is this a good call to gamble this early? or should I wait around and pick up some blinds, etc...

this is one of the areas I'm have difficulty in
Mike Gallo
03-30-2005, 10:06 PM
Excellent question. Sometimes I think I would prefer to gamble early in a tournament, then after I have invested time playing.

I usually do not gamble in that spot. I fold and wait for a better hand.
LethalRose
03-30-2005, 10:23 PM
yea see im torn between playing like this, generally very aggressive pushing small edges..

however when this strategy does work, i find myself with 10k before the 2nd hour and a very good chance of making the final table, especially in a tournament with 200-300 entrants
Roman
03-30-2005, 10:50 PM
nah, I wait. 77 dominated by 88-TT even when he doesnt have AA too often here.
Nottom
03-30-2005, 10:55 PM
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nah, I wait. 77 dominated by 88-TT even when he doesnt have AA too often here.

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It also dominates 22-66. I'd like the play more with 88 or 99, but I don't think this is as bad a play as many would like you to believe. I'd probably fold here almost everytime, but in a lowish buyin tourney like this sometimes a "go big or go home" strategy early can be how you feel like playing that day.
Roman
03-30-2005, 10:57 PM
/images/graemlins/wink.gif thanks. I just think this is a mid PP a lot more often than a low one. It is not HORRIBLE, but it is pretty bad imho. I have made similar calls in 1k+ feild low buyin tournies.
LethalRose
03-30-2005, 11:06 PM
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Excellent question. Sometimes I think I would prefer to gamble early in a tournament, then after I have invested time playing.

I usually do not gamble in that spot. I fold and wait for a better hand.

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whats the lowest pp you need to make this move? 99+?
Roman
03-30-2005, 11:09 PM
TT for me I think
LethalRose
03-30-2005, 11:13 PM
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TT for me I think

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even if you are 80% sure he has AK or 2 overcards?
Iconoclastic
03-30-2005, 11:53 PM
If you're only 80% sure he has overcards, and the majority of the rest of the time it's an overpair, then it's even EV. I would fold.
Roman
03-31-2005, 12:17 AM
how can you be so sure with no read?
LethalRose
03-31-2005, 12:25 AM
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how can you be so sure with no read?

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ive played with this guy before
adanthar
03-31-2005, 12:51 AM
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even if you are 80% sure he has AK or 2 overcards?

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TT gives you that extra 5% vs. AK (and so does 99 if it's AQ/KQ/xJ.) It's a good cushion and makes up for the times your read is off so it's a good starting point.
Roman
03-31-2005, 12:59 AM
if you have a read, go for it.
zaxx19
03-31-2005, 02:02 AM
Its finally happened the forum is now saying getting it all in with 77 early in a tourney is good....I knew it would come to this.

Do you guys ever not double up in the first 15 minutes and still make a final table??

77?? Dude your read would have to be SOOOO sick to make this a correct move. Online I cant imagine knowing within 80% of certaintly the guy had AKo...it just doesnt make sense logically.
LethalRose
03-31-2005, 04:05 AM
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Its finally happened the forum is now saying getting it all in with 77 early in a tourney is good....I knew it would come to this.

Do you guys ever not double up in the first 15 minutes and still make a final table??

77?? Dude your read would have to be SOOOO sick to make this a correct move. Online I cant imagine knowing within 80% of certaintly the guy had AKo...it just doesnt make sense logically.

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how high of a PP do you need to call this then
zaxx19
03-31-2005, 05:28 AM
1010 is still pretty marginal bc total donkeys love AJ and KQ and I want a decent probabilty of being WAY ahead here since there is some chance Im well behind.

I guess JJ then.
ThomB
03-31-2005, 07:14 AM
I fold too easily dominated, you don't need to make this call and can wait for a greater edge later on.
schwza
03-31-2005, 12:33 PM
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generally very aggressive pushing small edges..

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i think here you're giving up a significant edge. i think you'll be dominated more times than you're guessing.