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TStoneMBD
03-30-2005, 07:02 PM
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. CO posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (7 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

poster is unknown. i decided to call the turn getting 6:1 on a 5outter. the plan was to fold the river UI. i thought that villain will give up bluffing a draw enough of the time
to make calling the turn/folding the river correct.

bad idea?

River: (7.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB
MoreWineII
03-30-2005, 07:34 PM
Reads would help, obviously, but given the nature of the board I think the turn call is fine. If it were a non-frush flop, I might reconsider.
CallMeIshmael
03-30-2005, 07:51 PM
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poster is unknown. i decided to call the turn getting 6:1 on a 5outter.

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Reread the board.
TStoneMBD
03-30-2005, 07:55 PM
well i guess that ends the thread. i just started 8tabling and have been making mistakes like this quite often. yesterday the flop was A22 and i thought it was A23. i had pocket 3s and lost quite a few BBs.

however, lets assume that the turn is a blank instead of a 2. what then?
wrto4556
03-30-2005, 07:55 PM
good eye
gaming_mouse
03-30-2005, 08:05 PM
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poster is unknown. i decided to call the turn getting 6:1 on a 5outter.

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Reread the board.

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easy turn fold then, despite the flush draw? i think it is for me.
JudoDog
03-30-2005, 08:38 PM
I would have folded against the turn bet. Your 5 outs lay down 8.2 to 1 odds. Either fold or reraise if you think your check raise would cause him to fold. Depends on what you know about your opponent.
CallMeIshmael
03-30-2005, 08:39 PM
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Your 5 outs lay down 8.2 to 1 odds.

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Reread the thread.
Chris Daddy Cool
03-30-2005, 08:41 PM
why do we assume you're behind here?
TStoneMBD
03-30-2005, 08:49 PM
i dont know if youve played 3/6 lately CDC, but calling down with middle pairs in these situations is just a good way to lose alot of money. people are very, very passive in these games. there is 1 aggressive player per table at most.
Chris Daddy Cool
03-30-2005, 08:50 PM
if this is really the case, then you gotta fold the turn.
MoreWineII
03-30-2005, 09:17 PM
i dont know if all the aggros moved over to UB or what, but i expect CO to raise his flush draw here almost 100% of the time.

now, does he bet the turn with that flush draw...maybe, if he thinks you'll fold a better hand.
TStoneMBD
03-30-2005, 09:19 PM
you would be surprised, more people flat call with their flush draws than raise with them. its quite astonishing actually.
SteveL91
03-31-2005, 02:35 AM
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but what would be the value in raising a flush draw here? I could see it if the villain had Axh, but I don't see why raising the PFR in a 3-handed pot, which will quite possibly become heads up, with just a flush is a good move. I could see raising the draw if it were a multi-way pot where 3+ players had already called, but...

Thanks in advance,
Steve
MoreWineII
03-31-2005, 11:57 AM
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Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but what would be the value in raising a flush draw here? I could see it if the villain had Axh, but I don't see why raising the PFR in a 3-handed pot, which will quite possibly become heads up, with just a flush is a good move. I could see raising the draw if it were a multi-way pot where 3+ players had already called, but...

Thanks in advance,
Steve

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Probably more of a free card play than anything else. And there are players out there that'll fold PP's to a raise when there's an ace out there...to a turn bet, I mean.
flair1239
03-31-2005, 12:06 PM
What about leading out on the turn and folding to a raise.

My first thought in looking at the hand was to three-bet the flop, because I think he is raising the flush draw enough times here for us to have a better than average chance of being ahead.

The problem with that (3-betting the flop) as I see it though, is that he is still likely to cap with a flush draw and we are still stuck leading the turn anyway.

So I guess I would lead out on the turn, and play it from there.