What does everyone do here?

[johnny005]

I reallize my play on the flop is a bit weak but I dont want to get reraised seeems I should have raised though. What does everyone else do on this flop raise it to 120 or so??
fold if turn gets scary?



***** Hand History for Game 1813774116 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10828461) - Tue Mar 29 17:56:09 EST 2005
Table Table 14510 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: PokerGypsy (815)
Seat 2: ryanoconnr1 (775)
Seat 3: johnnys5 (775)
Seat 4: finesse0663 (830)
Seat 5: ropper66 (990)
Seat 6: bobbyf412 (1055)
Seat 7: jimjones777 (770)
Seat 8: HITMANFP (1250)
Seat 9: allboys54474 (740)
bobbyf412 posts small blind (10)
jimjones777 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to johnnys5 [ 9d, 9h ]
HITMANFP calls (15)
allboys54474 calls (15)
PokerGypsy calls (15)
ryanoconnr1 folds.
johnnys5 calls (15)
finesse0663 folds.
ropper66 calls (15)
bobbyf412 calls (5)
jimjones777 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, 3c, 6d ]
bobbyf412 checks.
jimjones777 bets (40)
HITMANFP calls (40)
allboys54474 folds.
PokerGypsy folds.
johnnys5 calls (40)
ropper66 calls (40)
bobbyf412 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ]
jimjones777 bets (30)
HITMANFP calls (30)
johnnys5 folds.
ropper66 calls (30)
** Dealing River ** : [ 7h ]
jimjones777 bets (40)
HITMANFP folds.
ropper66 calls (40)
** Summary **
Main Pot: 435
Board: [ 8c 3c 6d 2c 7h ]
PokerGypsy balance 800, lost 15 (folded)
ryanoconnr1 balance 775, didn't bet (folded)
johnnys5 balance 720, lost 55 (folded)
finesse0663 balance 830, didn't bet (folded)
ropper66 balance 1300, bet 125, collected 435, net +310 [ 2h 6h ] [ two pairs, sixes and twos -- 8c,6h,6d,2h,2c ]
bobbyf412 balance 1040, lost 15 (folded)
jimjones777 balance 645, lost 125 [ 8s Kh ] [ a pair of eights -- Kh,8s,8c,7h,6d ]
HITMANFP balance 1165, lost 85 (folded)
allboys54474 balance 725, lost 15 (folded)

[skipperbob]

Boy! Here's one we can really get our teeth into /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Benholio]

Hmm, well, I don't think I could have folded the turn for 30 chips if I had called the flop. The turn card wasn't THAT scary, with that little action.

The best line might have been to raise to 100-120 on the flop to drive out those behind you. You will still probably get called by the other 2 in the pot, but you will have position on them, making the turn much easier to play,

Oh and also, if you feed your hand history into Bisonbison's converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi), it will make it easier to read/track the action, and it will hide the results for you.

[The Yugoslavian]

Fold on the flop....you don't need this pot and you're reverse implied odds are *awful*...

I do not value call my nuts here.

Yugoslav

[bruce]

There's roughly T200 when it's your turn to act on the flop.
How about a pot sized raise on a raggedy flop like that. If
you play scared fearful of a hidden set behind your back, well, bad things will happen.

By calling on the flop you have absolutely know idea where you stand, plus you have players behing you to act.

Early in the SNG a preflop call is fine hoping to flop a set. But when you get a "dream" flop like this with no overs protect your hand.

Bruce

[johnny005]

...I think I just posted this hopeing to get flamed. when i say what they were holding I erally didnt like the hand at all

[lastchance]

No way in hell can fold the turn after calling the flop, that turn card was great. I agree with Yugo that your reverse implied odds are horrible, and any card from A-10 freaks you out, and a 7 worries you.

That said, looking back, I like calling the flop bet and raising the turn bet.

[johnny005]

I think this hand was a result of my recent bad run, maybe im playing to cautious lately because I keep busting out. I'll try to play better for you guys /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Phoenix1010]

If you just realize that calling is the worst thing you can do on the flop, and understand why, you'll have learned something. That said, I don't think it's a terrible idea to go after this pot. The odds are good that you have the best hand on the flop, and the pot is fairly large. I think a nice 200 chip raise will usually take it down right there, and otherwise it will be enough to knock out the draws that are probably lurking while allowing top pair to pay you off. If you were playing limit you would have to worry a lot more about your reverse implied odds, but as it is you have the ability to raise enough to make drawing incorrect. Folding still isn't a bad idea either, as you can probably find better spots later on. You have an edge in this pot, whether or not you should pursue it depends on a lot of factors.

-Phoenix

[Phoenix1010]

[ QUOTE ]
No way in hell can fold the turn after calling the flop, that turn card was great. I agree with Yugo that your reverse implied odds are horrible, and any card from A-10 freaks you out, and a 7 worries you.

That said, looking back, I like calling the flop bet and raising the turn bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

The turn card wasn't so great, as it put three clubs out there in a four handed pot where two players flat called on a ragged two toned flop. You don't have to be paranoid about the flush but you should consider it. You are less likely to have the best hand after the turn than you were on the flop, why would you wait until a scarecard hits to start playing aggressively?

Your reverse implied odds are only horrible if you flat call the flop. If you raise the flop, you no longer have to be worried about a K-T falling on the turn because someone would generally need to have a piece of the flop to call you. An ace would scare me because a lot more players will be playing A6 and A8 than Q6 or K8. Otherwise, non-club overcards would be much less of a worry. A 7 on the turn is also a lot less worrisome if you raise the flop because most players will not draw to a gutshot (unless they have 45) at all, much less on a two toned flop to a bet and a raise.

The worst thing you could do would be to call the flop, invite the players behind you into the pot, and give everyone a cheap card. Almost half the deck consists of scarecards, and your opponents could have anything. If you're going to play, play it strong on the flop. Otherwise, let it go.

-Phoenix

[raptor517]

[ QUOTE ]
Fold on the flop....you don't need this pot and you're reverse implied odds are *awful*...

I do not value call my nuts here.

[/ QUOTE ]

its just not worth putting more chips into the pot right here. i fold. this is a no set no bet situation. holla