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sthief09
03-29-2005, 06:24 PM
an OIC (open internet challenge). you start at .5/1 and move up everytime you win 50 bets. if you lose 25 you move down (though I'm changing the rules to where you don't have to move down until you end up below your starting point).

I've been bored with the game lately and recently went through a 350 bb downswing in under 10,000 hands and lost/spent 70% of my roll in the process. I haven't been playing much lately and I'm sure a lot of it is that I'm sick of losing and scared of losing more.

so I think this will be fun. I'll post some hands along the way that I think are interesting. maybe I'll make a post with some hands for each level, and some screenshots of stats. I'm interested in how loose I'd be at this point (I suspect at .5/1 I'd be somewhere around 23/14). I don't really like to play online but I like to post advice, and I think I'd be better suited to dispense advice if I had played the games recently. and as I said above, I want to see what my stats look like.

it'll also help me get better at 6-tabling. I tried to 7-table 15/30, including headsup and shorthanded play, which I think helped lead to my demise. I encourage anyone who's going to do this to try playing more tables than usual.

for all of you, it'll be nice to take a shot at a game you haven't play at yet. it's all money from scratch, so you can see what you can do. GoT did this a couple of years ago when he was at 5/10. he ran hot and got up to 15/30, and never looked back.

I'm looking for people to "compete" or pretty much just keep tabs with. let me know if you're interested. I plan to start Wednesday night, but feel free to get a head start if interested. there will be no set end.


so here is an estimate of how many hands/hours it will take if you run at a certain rate

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> hours at this rate 6-tabling
hands/hr 1 bb/100 2 bb/100 3 bb/100 4 bb/100
.5/1 380 13.16 6.58 4.39 3.29
1/2 (6m) 550 9.09 4.55 3.03 2.27
2/4 380 13.16 6.58 4.39 3.29
3/6 390 12.82 6.41 4.27 3.21
5/10 (6m) 600 8.33 4.17 2.78 2.08
10/20(6m) 600 8.33 4.17 2.78 2.08
SUM 64.89 32.45 21.63 16.22
HANDS 30000 15000 10000 7500
</pre><hr />

RustedCorpse
03-29-2005, 06:26 PM
yup yup if just to have everyone confim my suspicions that 1/2 has gotten bizzarely tight these days more so than 2/4.

Entity
03-29-2005, 06:27 PM
I would do it, but I won't be back from Vegas to give it a shot for a week.

sthief09
03-29-2005, 06:28 PM
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I would do it, but I won't be back from Vegas to give it a shot for a week.

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what are you playing in vegas?

jason_t
03-29-2005, 06:28 PM
Yes.

RustedCorpse
03-29-2005, 06:30 PM
Fine, 3 table in vegas at 40/80 and we'll call it even.

flopmonster
03-29-2005, 06:32 PM
I'll do it....wednesday sounds good....I play 4-5 tables now and I want to get accustomed to more....keep me up to date when youre starting exactly

meep_42
03-29-2005, 06:37 PM
I think this could be fun... I may just play like this when I feel the whimsy, I only have $88 in my party account, so keeping track should be simple enough. (And yes, you'll likely be between 21-25% at .5/1, so much limping going on that it's correct to limp with many speculative holdings, even oop)

So...
$0-50 @ .5/1 - 5bb/100 - 1000 hands
$50-150 @ 1/2 - 3bb/100 - 1667 hands
$150-350 @ 2/4 - 3bb/100 - 1667 hands
$350-650 @ 3/6 - 2bb/100 - 2500 hands
$650-1150 @ 5/10 - 1.5bb/100 - 3333 hands
$1150-2650 @ 15/30 - 1bb/100 - 5000 hands
Total -- 15167 on average, i'd say that's well on the side of conservative, though. I think I could do it in 22,500 total hands.

Nice.

-d

PokerBob
03-29-2005, 06:37 PM
I'm in. Let me know the "official" start time.

Entity
03-29-2005, 06:38 PM
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I would do it, but I won't be back from Vegas to give it a shot for a week.

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what are you playing in vegas?

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Probably $6/12, maybe $10/20. I want to check out the games at the MGM, and it depends on what the g/f wants to play (or if she wants to play), so I might end up playing some $100NL or whatever while getting free drinks. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rob

sthief09
03-29-2005, 06:38 PM
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I'm in. Let me know the "official" start time.

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I guess that be now

cnfuzzd
03-29-2005, 06:39 PM
I actually did this yesterday, on one table, just for a distraction to the other 7. I started with 25 on .5/1 and was at 3/6 within 4hours. Six-eight tabling i think could be even more fun. Im down.

peace

john nickle

PokerBob
03-29-2005, 06:40 PM
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I'm in. Let me know the "official" start time.

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I guess that be now

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Then I'm starting.

flopmonster
03-29-2005, 06:42 PM
yea im starting now as well

sfer
03-29-2005, 06:47 PM
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Maybe $6/12, definitely $10/20.

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Fixed your post. Don't be a prag in Vegas dooder.

sfer
03-29-2005, 06:48 PM
I'm in. Can I sit at your tables and suck-out on you?

ErrantNight
03-29-2005, 06:49 PM
If y'all are still going I'll start May 1

Alexthegreat
03-29-2005, 06:52 PM
I'm starting tonight, around 9ish...I'll throw in up some updates as well...this should be fun

sthief09
03-29-2005, 06:53 PM
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I'm in. Can I sit at your tables and suck-out on you?

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no, I might have to use some of my mystery screennames so you can't do that

PokerBob
03-29-2005, 06:55 PM
This is awesome. I am LAGging it up like a mofo.

jason_t
03-29-2005, 06:55 PM
I'll start in a few hours. I need a little break after the 77 thread.

SA125
03-29-2005, 07:35 PM
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I haven't been playing much lately and I'm sure a lot of it is that I'm sick of losing and scared of losing more.

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It takes a big man to say something like that. It's cool that you probably won't give a sh*t, but I respect you for that.

ayecappy
03-29-2005, 07:37 PM
*raises hand* im interested but i'd only be fourtabling though

afk
03-29-2005, 07:37 PM
Kickass idea - unfortunatly I'm heading right into exams so I have little time to play.

stabn
03-29-2005, 08:27 PM
I'm in.

PokerBob
03-29-2005, 08:29 PM
[ QUOTE ]
an OIC (open internet challenge). you start at .5/1 and move up everytime you win 50 bets. if you lose 25 you move down (though I'm changing the rules to where you don't have to move down until you end up below your starting point).

I've been bored with the game lately and recently went through a 350 bb downswing in under 10,000 hands and lost/spent 70% of my roll in the process. I haven't been playing much lately and I'm sure a lot of it is that I'm sick of losing and scared of losing more.

so I think this will be fun. I'll post some hands along the way that I think are interesting. maybe I'll make a post with some hands for each level, and some screenshots of stats. I'm interested in how loose I'd be at this point (I suspect at .5/1 I'd be somewhere around 23/14). I don't really like to play online but I like to post advice, and I think I'd be better suited to dispense advice if I had played the games recently. and as I said above, I want to see what my stats look like.

it'll also help me get better at 6-tabling. I tried to 7-table 15/30, including headsup and shorthanded play, which I think helped lead to my demise. I encourage anyone who's going to do this to try playing more tables than usual.

for all of you, it'll be nice to take a shot at a game you haven't play at yet. it's all money from scratch, so you can see what you can do. GoT did this a couple of years ago when he was at 5/10. he ran hot and got up to 15/30, and never looked back.

I'm looking for people to "compete" or pretty much just keep tabs with. let me know if you're interested. I plan to start Wednesday night, but feel free to get a head start if interested. there will be no set end.


so here is an estimate of how many hands/hours it will take if you run at a certain rate

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> hours at this rate 6-tabling
hands/hr 1 bb/100 2 bb/100 3 bb/100 4 bb/100
.5/1 380 13.16 6.58 4.39 3.29
1/2 (6m) 550 9.09 4.55 3.03 2.27
2/4 380 13.16 6.58 4.39 3.29
3/6 390 12.82 6.41 4.27 3.21
5/10 (6m) 600 8.33 4.17 2.78 2.08
10/20(6m) 600 8.33 4.17 2.78 2.08
SUM 64.89 32.45 21.63 16.22
HANDS 30000 15000 10000 7500
</pre><hr />

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Entity
03-29-2005, 08:30 PM
So do we start with $50 and move up when we hit $100, then move up again at $200, $300, etc? Because I can't see myself 4-tabling with that.

Johnny Richter
03-29-2005, 08:30 PM
So what clients is everyone gonna do this on? Curious which different poker clients would be in use during this OIC.

Entity
03-29-2005, 08:37 PM
I'm starting w/100BB at .5/1 tonight. I'll resume the challenge after I get back from Vegas.

sthief09
03-29-2005, 08:38 PM
you don't have to restrict the money you use. you just have to earn 50 bb to move up

sthief09
03-29-2005, 08:45 PM
6-max is an option but not a requirement for 1/2 or 5/10. you can play on any site you'd like

SCfuji
03-29-2005, 08:45 PM
hey sthief

how many bets do we get to start with at .5/1?

Entity
03-29-2005, 08:48 PM
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hey sthief

how many bets do we get to start with at .5/1?

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As many as you want. I'm starting with 100BB so I can 4-table.

SCfuji
03-29-2005, 08:50 PM
i think we should set a big bet starting limit for each table you intend to play on. so for 'n' tables you do this on you should multiply the starting limit by 'n'. just to make the rags to riches challenge a real rags to riches challenge.

SCfuji
03-29-2005, 08:53 PM
so you are going to 3-table once you move to 1/2 or buy in for less at each of your 4 tables? or are you going to make 50bb at each of your tables? blah im making this more complicated than it should be. ill just 1-table this next month so i can do my micro challenge at the same time.

Entity
03-29-2005, 08:56 PM
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Maybe $6/12, definitely $10/20.

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Fixed your post. Don't be a prag in Vegas dooder.

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But I'm nitty by nature.

Alexthegreat
03-29-2005, 08:59 PM
I'm just gonna one table the challenge, along with the other tables I'm playing...
So, like, starting with 50 bucks, moving up when I'm at 100, 200, etc...etc...

word

sthief09
03-29-2005, 09:24 PM
the point is to just win 50 bets and keep moving up. the only point of the extra money is so you can play at the tables. if you lose all your money, you go back to start

PuertoKid
03-29-2005, 09:24 PM
Sounds interesting--think I'd like to do this. So what are we supposed to track? I'm not sure about the details of what we're supposed to track (how many bb we've earned, how many hands it took to move up, bb/100, ?).

sthief09
03-29-2005, 09:27 PM
you win 50 bb at each level and move up. if you lose 25 bb, you should move back down, but aren't required to do so. if at any point you have less than you started with, you have to go back to .5/1

nolanfan34
03-29-2005, 09:30 PM
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Maybe $6/12, definitely $10/20.

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Fixed your post. Don't be a prag in Vegas dooder.

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But I'm nitty by nature.

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I don't think it's nitty. Dropping a couple of racks at 10/20 right off the bat could make the trip not quite as fun I would bet...

Especially if you haven't played live still!

jason_t
03-29-2005, 09:33 PM
If anyone wants to suck out on me I am starting at .5/1 tables

31018
11352
31015
12766.

Harv72b
03-29-2005, 09:34 PM
+31.5 BB's in a little under an hour of two-tabling .50/1 (Party). Kinda makes me wonder why I bother with higher limits. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Entity
03-29-2005, 09:36 PM
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+31.5 BB's in a little under an hour of two-tabling .50/1 (Party). Kinda makes me wonder why I bother with higher limits. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I sat two to your right for a little while. You're too tight. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rob

Harv72b
03-29-2005, 09:38 PM
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+31.5 BB's in a little under an hour of two-tabling .50/1 (Party). Kinda makes me wonder why I bother with higher limits. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I sat two to your right for a little while. You're too tight. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rob

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lol. I did limp 89s UTG, tho. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Entity
03-29-2005, 09:40 PM
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+31.5 BB's in a little under an hour of two-tabling .50/1 (Party). Kinda makes me wonder why I bother with higher limits. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I sat two to your right for a little while. You're too tight. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rob

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lol. I did limp 89s UTG, tho. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Did you show just because you knew that was my username? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I had 55 on that hand.

Rob

chief444
03-29-2005, 09:40 PM
OK, I'll play. I'm on a long ass break even/slight losing streak anyway so this might be a nice change-up.

Moyer
03-29-2005, 09:42 PM
I'm in. I'm pessimistic though. I see myself getting stuck @ 3/6.

Harv72b
03-29-2005, 09:46 PM
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Did you show just because you knew that was my username? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I had 55 on that hand.

Rob

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Oh, that was you? Didn't recognize that screenname...the show was aimed at the table in general, of course, and not you. I did find it a little odd that a .5/1'er would play a hand like that, tho.

Although it does make it a little sweeter that it was you. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

PuertoKid
03-29-2005, 09:48 PM
Post the hand?

Entity
03-29-2005, 09:48 PM
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Did you show just because you knew that was my username? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I had 55 on that hand.

Rob

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Oh, that was you? Didn't recognize that screenname...the show was aimed at the table in general, of course, and not you. I did find it a little odd that a .5/1'er would play a hand like that, tho.

Although it does make it a little sweeter that it was you. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Yeah, that was me. I was considering raising but the pot was small and I didn't really like the board much.

Rob

Entity
03-29-2005, 09:54 PM
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Post the hand?

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It was pretty boring. UTG is Harv. He showed 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif8/images/graemlins/spade.gif after I folded.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 3.25 BB

sthief09
03-29-2005, 09:58 PM
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Post the hand?

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It was pretty boring. UTG is Harv. He showed 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif8/images/graemlins/spade.gif after I folded.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 3.25 BB

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his flop bet is a flush draw 99.99% of the time. KTs or K9 I suspect he would bet too, but other than that you're ahead.

Entity
03-29-2005, 10:00 PM
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Post the hand?

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It was pretty boring. UTG is Harv. He showed 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif8/images/graemlins/spade.gif after I folded.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 3.25 BB

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his flop bet is a flush draw 99.99% of the time

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I realize that now. I was in the midst of talking to my g/f while 4-tabling and I looked at the pot size, the bet, and the opponent, and thought...meh, not worth it.

Rob

Entity
03-29-2005, 10:01 PM
358 hands, up 42.5BB. VPIP 22, PFR 13.69...

sthief09
03-29-2005, 10:04 PM
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VPIP 22, PFR 13.69...

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nit /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

PokerProdigy
03-29-2005, 10:19 PM
I am doing this already except NOT at six tables and NOT for fun. I am forced to play this way because I don't have a big bankroll and am a broke college student (LOL). Therefore, I have decided to try and work my way up (hopefully up to 3/6 or 5/10 by September) and I figured it might be a good way to practice and learn the game.

Anyhow, I just wanted to say good luck to all.

sthief09
03-29-2005, 10:21 PM
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I am doing this already except NOT at six tables and NOT for fun. I am forced to play this way because I don't have a big bankroll and am a broke college student (LOL). Therefore, I have decided to try and work my way up (hopefully up to 3/6 or 5/10 by September) and I figured it might be a good way to practice and learn the game.

Anyhow, I just wanted to say good luck to all.

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we don't descriminate. join in from where you are already

jason_t
03-29-2005, 10:23 PM
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we don't descriminate.

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we also can't spel.

bdk3clash
03-29-2005, 10:48 PM
I'm tempted. For some reason I decided it would be a good idea to do the "Granny" $100 bonus on Paradise and I'm pretty durn bored there. I think I'll do this 2-tabling there until the bonus is cleared and see what's what.

Harv72b
03-29-2005, 11:29 PM
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his flop bet is a flush draw 99.99% of the time. KTs or K9 I suspect he would bet too, but other than that you're ahead.

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I play kooky, and even more so if I know I'm up against a 2+2'er. So at any time that flop bet could be an A, a K, a 9, a pocket pair, a flush draw, a gutshot, or me clicking the wrong button. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

jason_t
03-29-2005, 11:30 PM
Some of the .50/1.00 tables say (No DP) next to their name. What is that?

cold_cash
03-29-2005, 11:31 PM
I think it means there's no disconnect protection.

Harv72b
03-30-2005, 12:27 AM
Done with .50/1. It'd been way too long since I'd played that limit...the tables were even softer than I'd remembered. Final stats:

143 hands
VPIP: 17.48 (believe it or not, I was getting cold-decked)
Att. to steal blinds: 0.00% (0 of 2 times)
PFR: 5.59% (like I said, cold-decked)
Won $ WSF: 40.74% (cold-decked, but some really nice flops)
Amount Won: $54.62
BB/100 hands: 38.20 (does this mean I'm a winning player? /images/graemlins/grin.gif)
WtSD: 29.63%
Won$atSD: 100% (8 of 8)
Total AF (postflop): 3.56
Flop: 2.33
Turn: 5.00
River: 8.00

Folded to River Bet: 50% (1 of 2)

Gotta work in the morning, so 1/2 will have to wait til tomorrow night. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

sthief09
03-30-2005, 12:39 AM
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I think it means there's no disconnect protection.

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pretty sure it stands for No Double Penetration

sthief09
03-30-2005, 12:40 AM
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his flop bet is a flush draw 99.99% of the time. KTs or K9 I suspect he would bet too, but other than that you're ahead.

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I play kooky, and even more so if I know I'm up against a 2+2'er. So at any time that flop bet could be an A, a K, a 9, a pocket pair, a flush draw, a gutshot, or me clicking the wrong button. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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an A is a terrible bet, a pocket pair is a terrible bet, a 9 is a terrible bet, a gut shot is same idea as a flush draw, K isn't such a great bet either

Moyer
03-30-2005, 12:46 AM
Jerk

I've played 615 hands and I'm in the red! Hopefully I'm just getting that downswing out of the way so it doesn't happen at 5/10 /images/graemlins/cool.gif

bakku
03-30-2005, 12:49 AM
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Maybe $6/12, definitely $10/20.

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Fixed your post. Don't be a prag in Vegas dooder.

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But I'm nitty by nature.

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Moozh and runa had to wait about 2+ hours for a seat at the 6/12 this weekend while I waited about 10 minutes for a 10/20. Also, just wanted to remind you that you'll beat that game easily.

Harv72b
03-30-2005, 12:50 AM
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an A is a terrible bet, a pocket pair is a terrible bet, a 9 is a terrible bet, a gut shot is same idea as a flush draw, K isn't such a great bet either

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Not to hijack the thread, but...why? Understand that I don't bet out every time with all of these hands, just that I do take that line from time to time with any and all of them.

Betting out and representing the A does allow me to steal the odd pot (as I did here), and it also helps to disguise the times when I really do flop a monster &amp; am looking to 3-bet. I fully realize that my efforts are wasted on the vast majority of my opponents, but I take great pains not to be predictable in the way I play my hands, with the idea that eventually I hope to be in games where that truly does matter.

Say that I'm playing A5s in this hand...would you just be check/calling and folding UI to a turn bet? Even HU?

PokerBob
03-30-2005, 12:51 AM
1151 hands at .5/1......$42.42....3.69bb/100......19.2/10.3....got AA 12 times won 5 times

cold_cash
03-30-2005, 12:52 AM
I usually only play one table at a time, but I decided to try your challenge since I've been sucking hard at my regular game the last week or so.

After 3-tabling for 250 hands to the tune of -16 BB's, I've come to the conclusion that Party .50/1 players are so bad that the game cannot be beaten.

chief444
03-30-2005, 12:52 AM
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Also, just wanted to remind you that you'll beat that game easily.

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Peer pressure will cave him in!

BTW, when did the MGM room open?

Harv72b
03-30-2005, 01:05 AM
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After 3-tabling for 250 hands to the tune of -16 BB's, I've come to the conclusion that Party .50/1 players are so bad that the game cannot be beaten.

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Maybe it'll cheer you up to see that these guys are out there:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls $0.50 (All-In), <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

River: (17 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: 11.50 BB, between BB, UTG+2 and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Hero (11.50 BB).</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: 7.50 BB, between UTG+2 and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Hero (7.50 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 4d 9d (two pair, nines and fours).
UTG+2 has 3s 7d (high card, ten).
Hero has 5c 5h (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 19 BB. </font>

__________________________________________________ _______

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (21 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (13 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds.

River: (17 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: 21 BB, between Hero, MP1, CO and Button.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Hero (21 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ks Ah (one pair, aces).
MP1 has Qc Qs (one pair, queens).
CO has 2d Js (one pair, jacks).
Button has Ac 7c (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 21 BB. </font>

CallMeIshmael
03-30-2005, 01:06 AM
[ QUOTE ]
pretty sure it stands for No Double Penetration

[/ QUOTE ]

WOW.

Just
Wow.

nolanfan34
03-30-2005, 01:08 AM
[ QUOTE ]
we don't descriminate.

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought we didn't like short people? /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif

kyro
03-30-2005, 01:10 AM
I'm in. I'll only be 4-tabling because I can only fit that many on one monitor. I'm starting at 0:10 EST on Wednesday and will post occasionaly updates too. GL all.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 01:22 AM
[ QUOTE ]
After 3-tabling for 250 hands to the tune of -16 BB's, I've come to the conclusion that Party .50/1 players are so bad that the game cannot be beaten.

[/ QUOTE ]

I reached +45 BB and then swung down to -15 BB. It seems funny. And wow do these people suck. Just wow.

bdk3clash
03-30-2005, 01:35 AM
I am teh Paradise $0.50/1 suck.

TOO MANY BAD PLAYERS.

03-30-2005, 01:49 AM
Sure! Sounds neat!

Entity
03-30-2005, 01:51 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I am teh Paradise $0.50/1 suck.

TOO MANY BAD PLAYERS.

[/ QUOTE ]

Haha. Nice.

To all encouraging me to check out the 10/20, fine, I'll check it out. Peer pressure works.

kyro
03-30-2005, 02:13 AM
Wow, I got completely rocked. It seemed like any time I folded when I was sure I was beat, I had the winning hand. Any time I called down, I was beat. I know I played like crap. For whatever reason, I've never been able to beat the low-limit Party games. I can't explain it. I know it's more my play than anything, but I wish I knew why I seem to drop money in there left and right. Anyways, I 4-tabled for an hour. My stats.

236 hands
$-46.25
-19.6BB/100

It's going to take me a lot longer than the rest of you it appears.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 02:17 AM
Swung as low as -40 BB but now back at a solid -2 BB.

Why do these people check behind on the river when they have the nuts? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

ErrantNight
03-30-2005, 02:20 AM
intimidation.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 02:22 AM
[ QUOTE ]

intimidation.

[/ QUOTE ]

I've seen nut flushes, nut straights and quad TTTT checked behind on the river tonight.

ErrantNight
03-30-2005, 02:22 AM
they saw you eat the oreo.

nolanfan34
03-30-2005, 02:24 AM
[ QUOTE ]
they saw you eat the oreo.

[/ QUOTE ]

Excellent response. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

They also could have been waiting to raise on 6th street, for deception (otherwise known as "the stream")

jason_t
03-30-2005, 02:25 AM
[ QUOTE ]

They also could have been waiting to raise on 6th street, for deception (otherwise known as "the stream")

[/ QUOTE ]

This play is brilliant, in my opinion.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 02:25 AM
[ QUOTE ]
they saw you eat the oreo.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ha!

Entity
03-30-2005, 02:29 AM
The hand that put me over.

Up 60BB for the night. Will hit up the 1/2 games when I get back.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG calls.

River: (14.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

UTG has QTo and MHIG. Woot.

Evan
03-30-2005, 02:37 AM
<font color="blue">sthief09</font>: OIC
<font color="red">Evan</font>: how's the challenge coming?
<font color="blue">sthief09</font>: i didnt start
<font color="red">Evan</font>: wtf
<font color="red">Evan</font>: you have all of 2+2 going crazy and you, their leader, isn't OICing
<font color="red">Evan</font>: disgusting
<font color="red">Evan</font>: plus you're sending me recruiting IMs for something you're not even doing
<font color="red">Evan</font>: how do you sleep at night?

afk
03-30-2005, 02:41 AM
[ QUOTE ]
To all encouraging me to check out the 10/20, fine, I'll check it out. Peer pressure works.

[/ QUOTE ]

Play the 10/20. Hell man, even I plan on giving the 10/20 shot the next time I'm at the casino. You'll play an orbit and feel right at home. Good luck homeslice!

PotatoStew
03-30-2005, 02:55 AM
[ QUOTE ]
his flop bet is a flush draw 99.99% of the time. KTs or K9 I suspect he would bet too, but other than that you're ahead.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why couldn't he also have ATs, AJo, or 99? Or even a lower suited ace, since it's a .5/1 table and presumably relatively loose-passive?

Entity
03-30-2005, 02:55 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
To all encouraging me to check out the 10/20, fine, I'll check it out. Peer pressure works.

[/ QUOTE ]

Play the 10/20. Hell man, even I plan on giving the 10/20 shot the next time I'm at the casino. You'll play an orbit and feel right at home. Good luck homeslice!

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm gonna scout out both the MGM and the Mirage while I'm there. If Clark is around I owe him a beer, at least.

Rob

bottomset
03-30-2005, 03:23 AM
I'll start this tomorrow, should be fun

Entity
03-30-2005, 03:29 AM
Due to peer pressure from Evan, I've started my 1/2 6max run. I'm up 21BB so far, in 39 hands.

Rob

jason_t
03-30-2005, 03:32 AM
After 1,126 crappy hands:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/jason_t712/grind.jpg

Entity
03-30-2005, 03:34 AM
[ QUOTE ]
After 1,126 crappy hands:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/jason_t712/grind.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Dude, you're a rock! How the hell can you win playing 15% of your hands at .5/1?

I feel like I wasn't playing enough hands, and I was VPIP 21.25, PFR 14 today.

Rob

ErrantNight
03-30-2005, 03:41 AM
i can't imagine how your VP$IP is under 20%...

jason_t
03-30-2005, 03:42 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Dude, you're a rock! How the hell can you win playing 15% of your hands at .5/1?

I feel like I wasn't playing enough hands, and I was VPIP 21.25, PFR 14 today.

[/ QUOTE ]

My VPIP is usually low at around 17. How do you get yours up to 21? What am I missing?

jason_t
03-30-2005, 03:42 AM
[ QUOTE ]
i can't imagine how your VP$IP is under 20%...

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay. This is good. What am I missing? I'm usually at 17%.

Entity
03-30-2005, 03:44 AM
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.5. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero...

Entity
03-30-2005, 03:46 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i can't imagine how your VP$IP is under 20%...

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay. This is good. What am I missing? I'm usually at 17%.

[/ QUOTE ]

What's your ATT to steal? Defense? VPIP SB? You're probably just missing a lot of thin value hands.

Rob

ErrantNight
03-30-2005, 03:47 AM
I haven't found a limit I can get my VP$IP under 20, fwiw... but particularly at .50/1, 1/2, 2/4...

I dunno... do you limp 22 UTG? or A6s?

how adverse are you to QTo? or KJo?

do you play A9o from late position?

are you comfortable with blind defense? do you practice it?

do you REALLY loosen up on the button, particularly after limpers?

how frequently do you play at tables that have gotten short-handed?

jason_t
03-30-2005, 03:56 AM
Raises.

Entity
03-30-2005, 03:57 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Raises.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, good. You aren't hopeless. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Seriously, you're probably throwing away pocket pairs too often (I'll often limp them after one limper in any position, and sometimes raise them in LP after one weak limper), and not playing enough hands on the button. My Button VPIP was 28% today, and I still wanted to play more.

Rob

jason_t
03-30-2005, 04:02 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I dunno... do you limp 22 UTG? or A6s?

[/ QUOTE ]

No, yes.

[ QUOTE ]
how adverse are you to QTo? or KJo?

[/ QUOTE ]

KJo fine in MP, QTo fine in LP.

[ QUOTE ]
do you play A9o from late position?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes.

[ QUOTE ]
are you comfortable with blind defense? do you practice it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes.

[ QUOTE ]
do you REALLY loosen up on the button, particularly after limpers?

[/ QUOTE ]

How loose? I'll limp suited kings, 9To and the like after a bunch of limpers, e.g.

[ QUOTE ]
how frequently do you play at tables that have gotten short-handed?

[/ QUOTE ]

Depends if fish have stuck around.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 04:05 AM
[ QUOTE ]
you're probably throwing away pocket pairs too often (I'll often limp them after one limper in any position

[/ QUOTE ]

When do you cold call with them?

Entity
03-30-2005, 04:09 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
you're probably throwing away pocket pairs too often (I'll often limp them after one limper in any position

[/ QUOTE ]

When do you cold call with them?

[/ QUOTE ]

It depends on the limpers, raiser, and other players involved.

Rob

ErrantNight
03-30-2005, 04:16 AM
let me direct you to this classic post, re: the merits of limping 22 UTG:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=1463529&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;s b=5&amp;o=

PokerBob
03-30-2005, 04:18 AM
1,6225 hands.......$52.13......3.21bb/100....I'm movin' on up

jason_t
03-30-2005, 04:34 AM
Ja. The bisonbison post. I've read it. I'm not sure if I buy it.

ErrantNight
03-30-2005, 04:38 AM
you should...

there's no 2/4 table you should be playing at that you don't want to limp a pp UTG. particularly if you're already alright playing Axs (and you should be limping with A2s).

it's been said before, it'll be said again... i can't imagine how i could get my vp$ip under 20%... i just can't...

jason_t
03-30-2005, 04:48 AM
[ QUOTE ]
it's been said before, it'll be said again... i can't imagine how i could get my vp$ip under 20%... i just can't...

[/ QUOTE ]

I've earnestly been trying to bring mine up. I know I'm leaving money on the table. When I first started though, my VPIP was 12% /images/graemlins/shocked.gif and James282 helped me get up to 17%. I've been stuck there though.

Is it possible that the worst part of one's game could be preflop play?

mack848
03-30-2005, 04:57 AM
[ QUOTE ]
you should...

there's no 2/4 table you should be playing at that you don't want to limp a pp UTG. particularly if you're already alright playing Axs (and you should be limping with A2s).

it's been said before, it'll be said again... i can't imagine how i could get my vp$ip under 20%... i just can't...

[/ QUOTE ]


What would be your range of limping hands at 3/6? Seems like I end up calling a raise and being HU/3-handed most times I limp.

Given that the blind structure discourages completing in the SB, and a usual table VPIP of 24-28%, I would certainly find playing in a manner that gets my VPIP &gt;20% tricky (I was ~19% at 2/4).

Moyer
03-30-2005, 05:10 AM
End of my first day.

1523 hands of Party .5/1

Up $13.75

I wanna cry

mack848
03-30-2005, 05:13 AM
What's your normal game/level?

jason_t
03-30-2005, 05:15 AM
Retiring for the day after 1390 crappy hands:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/jason_t712/grind2.jpg

shant
03-30-2005, 05:39 AM
Holy lord .5/1 is some of the worst poker I've ever seen.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 05:46 AM
[ QUOTE ]

Holy lord .5/1 is some of the worst poker I've ever seen.

[/ QUOTE ]

No s[/i]hit. They miss so many bets.

shant
03-30-2005, 05:53 AM
Yeah, sets, trips, and straights are nowhere near worth raising. I feel like a LAG at these tables.

shant
03-30-2005, 06:05 AM
I've decided that I'm withdrawing myself from this challenge because it is far too easy to make [censored] preflop calls when it's only 50 cents to see a flop.

shant
03-30-2005, 06:10 AM
Holy crap I'm 30/8 at .5/1. Such a [censored] fish.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 06:11 AM
[ QUOTE ]

I've decided that I'm withdrawing myself from this challenge because it is far too easy to make [censored] preflop calls when it's only 50 cents to see a flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

When I swung from +45 BB to -25 BB I was thinking "holy s[/i]hit, a -70 BB downswing." Then I realized it was only $70 and I laughed.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 06:12 AM
30!?!??!?!?

shant
03-30-2005, 06:28 AM
I played less than 200 hands, so I could have had a lot of pocket pairs and suited connecters. I know I played a lot of KTo, QTo also. Probably just small sample size but still fishtounding.

03-30-2005, 07:01 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Holy crap I'm 30/8 at .5/1. Such a [censored] fish.

[/ QUOTE ]

if my VPIP is &lt;25 and my PFR is &lt;15 at .5/1, then I'm a nit. and I won't get out of line either. I want to show just how loose you can be. and I'm a tightass compared to better players like Nate or Clark. I won't screw around either. I'm going to own the [censored] out of them with a 28 vpip and 18 pfr.

josh (I don't have the password to sthief09 right now because I had someone change it so I can study)

ps- if I have time I'll put something up on my website with standings and stat comparisons and stuff. I am incredibly lazy though so as much as I'd like to do that, it won't happen. maybe a spreadsheet though.

pps- are any of you 6-tabling for the first time? if so, how's it going?

03-30-2005, 07:04 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Dude, you're a rock! How the hell can you win playing 15% of your hands at .5/1?

I feel like I wasn't playing enough hands, and I was VPIP 21.25, PFR 14 today.

[/ QUOTE ]

My VPIP is usually low at around 17. How do you get yours up to 21? What am I missing?

[/ QUOTE ]



loose limps against bad players. I'm going to make a post in micro entitled "loose limps." I would pay so much money to see Clark's hand histories after 1000 .5/1 hands. he would play 40% of his hands.

this is josh

jason_t
03-30-2005, 07:05 AM
[ QUOTE ]
pps- are any of you 6-tabling for the first time? if so, how's it going?

[/ QUOTE ]

This was my first time 4-tabling! /images/graemlins/shocked.gif I 3-table regularly.... Not really any different.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 07:06 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I'm going to make a post in micro entitled "loose limps."

[/ QUOTE ]

I look forward to it.

Nice gimmick acct.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 07:07 AM
[ QUOTE ]

Sure! Sounds neat!

[/ QUOTE ]

The humor value in this has increased ten-fold knowing who you are now.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 07:57 AM
Made it to round two.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/jason_t712/grind3.jpg

Oblivious
03-30-2005, 08:18 AM
I started with $100 and 4 tables at Empire .50/1. After 1.25 hours I made $52.24 and passed the first level.

314 hands
16.64 BB per 100
40.71 BB per hour

I'll start on 1/2 6max tomorrow.

Oblivious
03-30-2005, 08:26 AM
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Oblivious is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
jason_t calls, <font color="#CC3333">Oblivious raises</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, BB calls, jason_t calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, jason_t checks, <font color="#CC3333">Oblivious bets</font>, BB folds, jason_t folds.

Final Pot: 3.75 BB

pzrwnd

lol this was the only hand i could find where either of us lost more than a blind to eachother.

jason_t
03-30-2005, 08:37 AM
Not really pwned. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: I am UTG with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
I call, <font color="#CC3333">Oblivious raises</font>, BB calls, I call.

Flop: (6.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, I check, <font color="#CC3333">Oblivious bets</font>, BB folds, I fold.

Final Pot: 3.75 BB

ErrantNight
03-30-2005, 08:55 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Is it possible that the worst part of one's game could be preflop play?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes. But not yours.

ErrantNight
03-30-2005, 08:56 AM
I still limp this at 3/6...

But I do tighten up there, particularly (and obviously) from the sb, I certainly think your VP$IP should trend downwards compared to 2/4

jason_t
03-30-2005, 09:03 AM
[ QUOTE ]

Yes. But not yours.

[/ QUOTE ]

So you're saying I suck postflop? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Siingo
03-30-2005, 09:09 AM
Becaus then you have to bluff! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

ErrantNight
03-30-2005, 09:30 AM
shhh... you didn't hear it from me!

(seriously though... I just think that if you're up around 17% vp$ip your preflop play is fine... you could be looser, but it might impact your postflop game in a detrimental way... there's plenty of very, very good players that are this tight preflop)

rmarotti
03-30-2005, 10:56 AM
Just watch me. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

sfer
03-30-2005, 11:29 AM
During Bison's ADHOC I was like 89/75 and I only dropped 150 or so BBs.

DMBFan23
03-30-2005, 11:33 AM
even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then, even those that are sitting to bison's right.

03-30-2005, 11:35 AM
[ QUOTE ]
During Bison's ADHOC I was like 89/75 and I only dropped 150 or so BBs.

[/ QUOTE ]


If you sit with me
And donk during my challenge
Your nuts I will kick

03-30-2005, 11:36 AM
[ QUOTE ]
even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then, even those that are sitting to bison's right.

[/ QUOTE ]


Good luck at three six
You will take everyone's loot
You have my respect

DMBFan23
03-30-2005, 11:39 AM
[ QUOTE ]
You have my respect

[/ QUOTE ]

this just made my day. seriously.

sfer
03-30-2005, 11:44 AM
[ QUOTE ]
If you sit with me
And donk during my challenge
Your nuts I will kick

[/ QUOTE ]

Does donking include
Raising dominated hands
That catch three outers

B Dids
03-30-2005, 12:14 PM
[ QUOTE ]
you should...

there's no 2/4 table you should be playing at that you don't want to limp a pp UTG. particularly if you're already alright playing Axs (and you should be limping with A2s).

it's been said before, it'll be said again... i can't imagine how i could get my vp$ip under 20%... i just can't...

[/ QUOTE ]

I think this holds true at .5/1, but I find that most 2/4 tables aren't this loose. The point of the limping 22 UTG mantra is that that's the ideal table, but I feel like table textures are changing to the point where that's not the case.

meep_42
03-30-2005, 12:21 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
you should...

there's no 2/4 table you should be playing at that you don't want to limp a pp UTG. particularly if you're already alright playing Axs (and you should be limping with A2s).

it's been said before, it'll be said again... i can't imagine how i could get my vp$ip under 20%... i just can't...

[/ QUOTE ]

I think this holds true at .5/1, but I find that most 2/4 tables aren't this loose. The point of the limping 22 UTG mantra is that that's the ideal table, but I feel like table textures are changing to the point where that's not the case.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm + so far with every PP and I limp them all from every position.

Small suited aces, that's a different story. Need to work on my postflop play of those.

-d

Entity
03-30-2005, 01:34 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Dude, you're a rock! How the hell can you win playing 15% of your hands at .5/1?

I feel like I wasn't playing enough hands, and I was VPIP 21.25, PFR 14 today.

[/ QUOTE ]

My VPIP is usually low at around 17. How do you get yours up to 21? What am I missing?

[/ QUOTE ]



loose limps against bad players. I'm going to make a post in micro entitled "loose limps." I would pay so much money to see Clark's hand histories after 1000 .5/1 hands. he would play 40% of his hands.

this is josh

[/ QUOTE ]

I would love to see Clark's histories at .5/1 or 2/4. I feel like I could afford to play more hands on the button, but I'm still not sure which ones.

Evan was playing every hand on the Button for one or two bets last night at .5/1 for a while, not sure how well that was going.

Rob

sfer
03-30-2005, 01:49 PM
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To all encouraging me to check out the 10/20, fine, I'll check it out. Peer pressure works.

[/ QUOTE ]

That was too easy. You should play 20/40.

brick
03-30-2005, 02:01 PM
Ok, I'm going to start tonight.
Shooting for 1000 hands per night.
I've never 6 tabled before but might as well start today.

party screenname: toomuchfun7

see you at the tables.

03-30-2005, 02:27 PM
[ QUOTE ]

Evan was playing every hand on the Button for one or two bets last night at .5/1 for a while, not sure how well that was going.

[/ QUOTE ]


evan must be sick of me constantly calling him a nit. he folded Q4s in the sb at 10/20 with 2 or 3 limpers. he also folded his bb to a straddle and no callers

sfer
03-30-2005, 02:32 PM
How was the exam?

Alobar
03-30-2005, 02:33 PM
stfu and go study junkie!! /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

peachy
03-30-2005, 02:39 PM
he doesnt have this name anymore either....STUDY f'er!!

Entity
03-30-2005, 02:44 PM
[ QUOTE ]
he folded Q4s in the sb at 10/20 with 2 or 3 limpers

[/ QUOTE ]

Huh? Were the limpers really tight or something?

xpander
03-30-2005, 02:59 PM
Wouldn't he loosen up if he was tired of being called a nit. It's becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy if he's making that fold.

Moyer
03-30-2005, 06:35 PM
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What's your normal game/level?

[/ QUOTE ]

Mostly 2/4. Some 3/6 lately. Occasionally bigger games.

sthief
03-30-2005, 06:37 PM
[ QUOTE ]
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he folded Q4s in the sb at 10/20 with 2 or 3 limpers

[/ QUOTE ]

Huh? Were the limpers really tight or something?

[/ QUOTE ]


no he's just a tight ass nit

then he goes and raises limpers with QJo on the button. evan is a strange bird

Moyer
03-30-2005, 06:39 PM
I'm finally moving up

1,971 hands @ .5/1, 2.54BB/100, VPIP 18.6, PFR 9.2

Harv72b
03-30-2005, 09:21 PM
Dinner break...1/2 is kicking my butt to the tune of -6.5 BBs over 337 hands. I think I've lost to 8 river 3-outers so far.

masonx
03-30-2005, 09:24 PM
sounds fun

sthief
03-30-2005, 09:27 PM
going on just about no sleep, fueled by red bull and jack, I'm ready to [censored] .5/1 up. I'll be on gurlygurl1 and a40ozs2frdm

chief444
03-30-2005, 09:39 PM
I'm off to 1/2. Probably 6-max. .5/1 was fun. I forgot how good those games are.

622 hands, +51 BB's, 28.4 VP$IP /images/graemlins/grin.gif

sthief09
03-30-2005, 10:05 PM
95 hands bitches, 15 minutes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/sthief09/.jpg


off to get more alki, then 1/2 6m time

sthief09
03-30-2005, 10:13 PM
f[/i]uck you Bob you weak tight piece of sh[/i]it

bobbyi
03-30-2005, 10:31 PM
Why do you still use the sthief account now that sthief09 is unbanned?

Gordon Scott
03-30-2005, 10:31 PM
I'm in....

149 hands $53.75

How do you do a screen shot?

Best of Luck

Gordon Scott

mmbt0ne
03-30-2005, 10:34 PM
I guess it's easy to run well when you get AA 3x in hands, and improve your hand each time. I'm starting this tonight, but I'm probably only going to do it with 2 or 3 tables. I'm a pussy, I know.

meep_42
03-30-2005, 10:34 PM
438 hands, 12.27 BB/100, 23.52 VP$IP, 7.99 PFR, 2.24 Tot-A.

On to 1/2(6m) when next I feel like picking this up. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

-d

sthief09
03-30-2005, 10:36 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I guess it's easy to run well when you get AA 3x in hands, and improve your hand each time. I'm starting this tonight, but I'm probably only going to do it with 2 or 3 tables. I'm a pussy, I know.

[/ QUOTE ]


how did you see I improved? I was 3/3 in flopping sets of aces

sthief09
03-30-2005, 10:37 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Why do you still use the sthief account now that sthief09 is unbanned?

[/ QUOTE ]


I had my helper change my passwords for me

mmbt0ne
03-30-2005, 10:44 PM
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En réponse à:</font><hr />
how did you see I improved? I was 3/3 in flopping sets of aces

[/ QUOTE ]

Look at the very bottom of your picture.

a full house, aces full of fours
a full house, aces full of twos
three of a kind, Aces

bobbyi
03-30-2005, 10:47 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Why do you still use the sthief account now that sthief09 is unbanned?

[/ QUOTE ]


I had my helper change my passwords for me

[/ QUOTE ]
I'm very confused.

sthief09
03-31-2005, 12:07 AM
drunk and laggy
someone join me

NOW

a40ozs2frdm
gurlygurl1

A high value bet tally: 3
K high value bet tally: 1

won all 4

COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN

sfer
03-31-2005, 12:10 AM
How was your exam?

bobbyi
03-31-2005, 12:17 AM
[ QUOTE ]
K high value bet tally: 1

[/ QUOTE ]
Post that hand.

Harv72b
03-31-2005, 12:55 AM
Updating my quest before bed...thanks to finding a maniac on a 6-max table, I'm now a healthy 39.75 BBs in the green after 404 hands. All you LAGs will be happy to know that I'm running at 32/14 over that span. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Still haven't figured out how to win with high pockets, tho--my AA &amp; KK hands are a combined 0 for 3 at this point. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

My personal favorite hand so far (BB is the maniac--no PFR because I knew he would do it for me):

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

River: (16 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 24 BB
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: 24 BB, between Hero and BB.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Hero (24 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ks 7s (flush, king high).
BB has As Jd (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 24 BB. </font>

Coulda had the trifecta. :sigh:

sthief09
03-31-2005, 01:06 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
K high value bet tally: 1

[/ QUOTE ]
Post that hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (7 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.


Final Pot: 9 BB


SHIP IT

brick
03-31-2005, 01:18 AM
.5/1 results:
437 hands
+$75
Flops Seen: 29%

I ran really well but I was amazed at how much looser the games were.

1/2 6 max is going to be tough for me.
Maybe I will look for a few loose 1/2 full tables.

Good luck everyone.

sthief09
03-31-2005, 01:26 AM
got drunk and dropped 75 bb at 1/2, but tomorrow that won't count. our little secret fellas

nolanfan34
03-31-2005, 02:29 AM
[ QUOTE ]
How was your exam?

[/ QUOTE ]

Awesome.

bdk3clash
03-31-2005, 04:26 AM
I got totally owned trying this at Paradise (2 tables of $0.50/1 while 4-6 tabling my normal Party games) clearing the GRANNY bonus. I'll take a mulligan tomorrow and try this again whilst clearing this month's Interpoker $90 for 450 raked hands bonus unless playing $0.50/1 there makes accumulating raked hands too difficult.

TOO MANY BAD PLAYERS

Moyer
03-31-2005, 04:48 AM
Well, there is no .5/1 at IP, so that will be difficult.

Moyer
03-31-2005, 04:55 AM
I played 1/2 for 3.25hrs today and lost $136.50

I feel sick again.

bdk3clash
03-31-2005, 08:00 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Well, there is no .5/1 at IP, so that will be difficult.

[/ QUOTE ]
Hooray for me--looks like I've "progressed" to $1/2!

colgin
03-31-2005, 09:48 AM
[ QUOTE ]
got drunk and dropped 75 bb at 1/2, but tomorrow that won't count. our little secret fellas

[/ QUOTE ]

Just like my recent 125 BB downswing "won't count". Wow, that really works; I feel better already. /images/graemlins/cool.gif Now, if only my bankroll would cooperate and magically increase by 125BB too. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

sfer
03-31-2005, 10:18 AM
I want a trip report for the exam.

RustedCorpse
03-31-2005, 10:19 AM
I finally started....stupid ex's.

RustedCorpse
03-31-2005, 10:30 AM
Very First hand

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (5 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds.

River: (9 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 25 BB

Bluffoon
03-31-2005, 10:40 AM
OMG I suck. 2200 hands to 100 BB at .5/1.

sfer
03-31-2005, 11:10 AM
Bob Ciaffone would be proud.

Anyone know how Josh's exam went?

BottlesOf
03-31-2005, 11:29 AM
I heard he booted all over the exam and tried to hand it in, and when they wouldn't take it, he challenged the proctor to a $10 freezeout. He has to take an incomplete in the class.

RustedCorpse
03-31-2005, 11:42 AM
Can I play .50/1.00 NL till I get 200 and just start at 2/4? This .50/1.00 is making me play like a monkey.

Octopus
03-31-2005, 12:06 PM
Wow, I had totally forgotten how .5/1 plays. I just played 200 hands on 4 different tables (mid-morning US east coast) without a single blind stealing (or blind defense) opportunity.

Bluffoon
03-31-2005, 12:19 PM
[ QUOTE ]
OMG I suck. 2200 hands to 100 BB at .5/1.

[/ QUOTE ]

So I lasted 175 hands at 1/2 and I am demoted. Somebody hand me the dunce cal.

cold_cash
03-31-2005, 01:58 PM
I finally got back to where I started with the .50/1.

I gotta buckle down or I'm not going to move up limits until Labor Day.

uw_madtown
03-31-2005, 01:59 PM
I'm totally in, and using it as an excuse to post here more and start up a poker blog, because, well, I've been busy/slacking lately. This seems like a challenge I'd enjoy.

Finished up the first level in about 3 hours, 20 minutes this morning 4-tabling. My oh my, did I NOT need a thread filled with comments on how to play .5/1 laggy. I'm wondering how well I'll adjust to 1/2 max, 2/4, and 3/6. I've been mostly treading water at 2/4 and 3/6 ever since I moved up to them a couple months back, so I'm not sure if I need to be looser or less aggressive (trust me, I don't need to be MORE aggressive). We'll see when I get there, I suppose.

Stats...

Total Hands: 737
Amount Won: $58.24
BB/100: 7.9
VPIP: 25.64%
PFR: 13.57%
Aggression Factor: Flop - 5, Turn - 3.3, River - 2.69, Total - 3.8

A screenshot, some more stats, and some more comments are up at the new blog, just another LAG (http://www.wtemby.com/poker/). I'll be posting some hands there shortly, and would appreciate comments. I'll post a couple in this thread, and when I hit 2/4 I'll post a couple in the SS forum, but I'm going to be putting up 10-20 hands from each level on the site. Comments highly appreciated.

Bluffoon
03-31-2005, 02:06 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
OMG I suck. 2200 hands to 100 BB at .5/1.

[/ QUOTE ]

So I lasted 175 hands at 1/2 and I am demoted. Somebody hand me the dunce cal.

[/ QUOTE ]

400 hands and I am back at 1/2 for try number two.

Bluffoon
03-31-2005, 02:15 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
OMG I suck. 2200 hands to 100 BB at .5/1.

[/ QUOTE ]

So I lasted 175 hands at 1/2 and I am demoted. Somebody hand me the dunce cal.

[/ QUOTE ]

400 hands and I am back at 1/2 for try number two.

[/ QUOTE ]

OMG I lasted 25 hands.

AA = Cracked by 43 OFF!
TPTK = RR Flushed
KK = Cracked

Trudges back to .5/1.

sthief09
03-31-2005, 05:21 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I want a trip report for the exam.

[/ QUOTE ]


The test was not hard
Too bad I barely studied
'Cause it raped me good

sthief09
03-31-2005, 05:23 PM
to general hold'em

sfer
03-31-2005, 05:23 PM
We should go and play
The 10 game tomorrow night
And prag their faces

sthief09
03-31-2005, 05:24 PM
to general hold'em: Here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=2048382&amp;page=0&amp;view=e xpanded&amp;sb=5&amp;o=14&amp;fpart=1)