Another mid-pair hand....

[meep_42]

No real reads on PFR as i'm away from my db at the moment. Best I can say is that he's not a rock.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, CO folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>...

-d

[JoshuaD]

I don't like it. A better hand (KK, QQ, JJ) is going to call you down or (Ax) raise you. A worse hand (KQ, KJ) folds.

Against an unknown, I check/call all the way down.

[Harv72b]

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Against an unknown, I check/call all the way down.

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Are the times that villian raised preflop with a worse (non-A) hand than Hero really going to justify a calldown? Or am I just being weak/tight for wanting to bet/fold the flop?

[meep_42]

I think the flop lead is a must in order to protect what has a good chance of being the best hand. Or, are you advocating a check/call on the flop as well?

-d

[JoshuaD]

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I think the flop lead is a must in order to protect what has a good chance of being the best hand. Or, are you advocating a check/call on the flop as well?

-d

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Oh, no. I like the flop bet.

[sthief09]

raising hands that beat you on the flop:
AA
KK
QQ
JJ
TT
99
AK
AQ
AJ

raising hands that you beat on the flop:
KQ

[sthief09]

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I think the flop lead is a must in order to protect what has a good chance of being the best hand. Or, are you advocating a check/call on the flop as well?

-d

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you don't have a good chance of having the best hand. further, if you don't have the best hand you have 2 outs

[JoshuaD]

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raising hands that beat you on the flop:
AA
KK
QQ
JJ
TT
99
AK
AQ
AJ

raising hands that you beat on the flop:
KQ

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You're giving the PF raiser too much credit.

[chief444]

I don't think any worse hands raise preflop and this flop and I doubt if you have much of a chance to fold out 99-KK.

[sthief09]

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raising hands that beat you on the flop:
AA
KK
QQ
JJ
TT
99
AK
AQ
AJ

raising hands that you beat on the flop:
KQ

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You're giving the PF raiser too much credit.

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he raises more than 7.5% of his hands in MP after 2 limpers?

[meep_42]

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I don't think any worse hands raise preflop and this flop and I doubt if you have much of a chance to fold out 99-KK.

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I hate it as well, i'm expecting to go back and find out he was raising light or a LAG, but I think I deserved to get berated for it anyway. (Since I should probably c/r a LAG here)

-d

[meep_42]

As I suspected -- Villain was 50%/20% pre-flop, having shown down a PFR of 93o in her first orbit.

Decent against a loose raiser?

-d