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PokerBob
03-29-2005, 01:25 PM
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (21.33 SB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (18.66 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

River: (22.66 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 25.66 BB

mr pink
03-29-2005, 01:29 PM
do you think you're ahead once the CO 3-bets... does he 3-bet with just overcards? i'd lean towards the no, that being said, it seems like the flop cap is a bit excessive. were you calling a turn raise given the line you took?

he has KK or QQ and you scared him into a call down?

Chris Dow
03-29-2005, 01:33 PM
Given the choice of cap flop or fold I like fold here.

PokerBob
03-29-2005, 01:34 PM
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do you think you're ahead once the CO 3-bets... does he 3-bet with just overcards? i'd lean towards the no, that being said, it seems like the flop cap is a bit excessive. were you calling a turn raise given the line you took?

he has KK or QQ and you scared him into a call down?

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Admittedly, I didn't pay close enough attetntion to the action, as I was busy making JJJJ on another table. CO's pf and flop 3-bet scream big pair, but I was deaf. I hate my line here.

mr pink
03-29-2005, 01:54 PM
what do you think then, fold to the flop 3-bet?

billyjex
03-29-2005, 02:37 PM
I think you can let this go on the flop. Any sane player is not 3-betting PF and 3-betting the flop (after it's 2 bets to him) with AK. There's no real draws out there.

Hard to fold an overpair, even if it's a weak one, but this one is probably dead.

KaiShin
03-29-2005, 02:41 PM
I'd fold up this flop. The cap is just spewing.

brettbrettr
03-29-2005, 02:49 PM
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what do you think then, fold to the flop 3-bet?

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Yup.

nolanfan34
03-29-2005, 03:26 PM
Does everyone raise this PF UTG? I would do that with 99 maybe, but that seems to be my cutoff.

meep_42
03-29-2005, 03:30 PM
Why not check-raise the flop?

Of course, in this case, i'd be really confused when it comes back 2 to me.

-d

Fat Nicky
03-29-2005, 03:36 PM
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Given the choice of cap flop or fold I like fold here.

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dare i say that me and Chris Dow agree...

PokerBob
03-29-2005, 03:47 PM
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Given the choice of cap flop or fold I like fold here.

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me too

sthief09
03-29-2005, 03:52 PM
well... I do think it's a lot better than checking and calling the whole way. you're almost certainly dead once the CO 3-bets the flop. a stop n go wouldn't be bad. in that game (which seems loose), I don't like the raise that early

the only thing I really don't like is the flop cap. turn lead is good, river lead is good, flop bet is good I think (just because the pot is SO big and you don't want to give a free card).

ckessel
03-29-2005, 03:56 PM
I don't raise this preflop either, I just limp. I think in a tighter game raising might work well, but at 3/6 you'll get too many callers and almost all will have 1 or more overcards on you.

UTG I usually want TT to raise or maybe 99 if it's reasonably tight table.

The problem with 88/99 is they either want almost no callers or lots of callers. 2-4 callers seems like the -EV spot for middle-pockets. Raising UTG in 2/4 or 3/6 usually results in that in-between spot.

Carmine
03-29-2005, 06:36 PM
Raising this PF UTG is fine, but unless this hand was one of the exceptions, the table seems to loose for it. Once it is 3-bet PF you know you have your work cut out for you. Great flop for you but I don't like betting out trapping players here. I want them out of the picture and you are set up perfect for a check-raise. Good chance it will get 3-bet after the C/R but thats alright and hopefully you have this HU or 3-way the most by then.

On the turn and river, in all honesty, I'm somewhat clueless. I become passive and check/call it down if my C/R was 3-bet on the flop. I'll lead if it was just called. I'm definatly looking for advice on these streets.