i need help (schnieds/gonores/anybody else)

[sublime]

this is what i am looking for. data month by month (or maybe 3month intervals) showing what direction the 5/106m and 10/20 6m games have gone in over the last year or two (as long as possible actually) basically all i am looking for is VPIP.

anyone who helps, i really appreciate it /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[bunky9590]

you want to probably et someone who datamines, i just moved into the 10-20 short bus today. I'll pull up my 5-10 numbers for you though.

[DrGutshot]

I realize that you're looking for change over time data, but I figure I might as well throw out my numbers.
150k hands, from around december of 2004, average vpip 39.49, pfr 13.89.

-DrG

[bunky9590]

quick shot from 5-10 short

Dec VP$IP (table avg) 47% 8000 hands
Jan VP$IP (table avg) 42% 14000 hands
Feb VP$IP (table avg) 41% 22000 hands

[muzungu]

Ooh, this looks interesting, I will put my #s in and give it a bump.

I have ulterior motives, too... I am curious to hear how wide of a range there is in the VPIP/PFR numbers posted. Sort of a rudimentary way of looking at the effects of table selection. For example, if I post 40/12 average preflop numbers, and someone else has 45/9 as their average at the same game, then perhaps I could afford to put more effort into finding good tables.

Also: don't forget to remove yourself from your data set! Sublime (and I) want to know how everyone else plays, not how you play.

Anyway, my #s at 5/10 over the last 6 months. I am too lazy to edit for players/hand- 5.35-5.39 from Oct-Feb, 5.31 this month.

Oct: 41.2/10.6 (23k hands)
Nov: 40.9/10.8 (22k hands)
Dec: 40.8/11.7 (9k hands)
Jan: 40.5/11.5 (27k hands)
Feb: 40.2/11.9 (25k hands)
March: 40.9/12.3 (28k hands)

Enjoy!

-muz

[Schneids]

I've never data mined in my life, do you still want my numbers the past 6-12 months to see a slight longer term trend (with the table stats being bumped down a bit due to them all including my :cough: tight :cough: VPIP)?

[krishanleong]

You've only been able to datamine for the last 5 months or so. I'm particularly interested in the long term data.

Krishan

[sublime]

cool. any and all info is appreciated.

scheids, you can remove yourself from the averages by just omitting your screen name on the preferances tab of poker tracker. i assume you are talking about the 10/20 game which interests me probably more than the 5/10.

PM me with info if you dotn want to post.

[sublime]

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cmon you degenerate fcuks /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Schneids]

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Tomorrow. I'm lazy today. And supposed to be reading...for a class in an hour and a half. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[sublime]

Tomorrow. I'm lazy today. And supposed to be reading...for a class in an hour and a half

cool man /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[sthief]

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Tomorrow. I'm lazy today. And supposed to be reading...for a class in an hour and a half. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I hope you're coming up with a game plan for class tomorrow. operation get some this weekend

[Trix]

I think you can filter out your own stats.

[zokbarjazz]

5/10 6max (with my stats included):

December: 46.24 (~5500 hands)
January: 43.06% (~39000)
February: 41.49% (~23000)
March: 42.33% (~27000)

For 10,000 hands of 10/20 6max, 42.41%.

Hope this is helpful.

Jeremy

[sublime]

mystery bump. for schnieder. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[helpmeout]

10/20 6max

Feb 487k VPIP 41.08 PFR 13.8
Mar 295k VPIP 41.3 PFR 13.98

5/10

Jan 250k VPIP 38.7 PFR 11.82

[Schneids]

Alright here's the past 12 months. I am neglecting to include numbers from this year since there are probably data miners who can give you some more thorough #'s, and the past two months not too much of my playing has been on Party.

March 2004:
17,866 hands; 38.42vpip, 14.09pfr

April 2004:
22,431 hands; 37.42vpip; 14.47pfr

May 2004:
61,532 hands; 38.96vpip; 13.37pfr

June 2004:
57,787 hands; 38.1vpip; 13.24pfr

July 2004:
38,055 hands; 38.54vpip; 12.93pfr

August 2004:
27,819 hands; 37.88vpip; 12.66pfr

Sept 2004:
17,961 hands; 38.54vpip; 12.9pfr

Oct 2004:
28,313 hands; 37.58vpip; 12.88pfr

Nov 2004:
18,767 hands; 37.5vpip; 12.67pfr

Dec 2004:
14,574 hands; 38.85vpip; 13.58pfr



There ya go, I don't know if these numbers show much other than people don't seem to have changed their preflop play that much even in the past year, although these stats support the general consensus among 10/20 6m vets that the game is more passive in recent months than it used to be.

[krishanleong]

This is really incredible data to have. Thanks a ton Schnieds. The conclusion I'm drawing from this is that the games haven't changed significantly over the past year. This means advice on old hands, reads, global strategies, and everything is still accurate.

In particular everyone says the 5/10 PP game is pretty loose passive. I find it incedibly agressive. Check raises seem to happen with a huge frequency. This data support the idea that the games haven't changed significantly so I can assume that it's just my adjustment that makes it seem ultra agressive.

When I played 2/4 3/6, there was a post by Astroglide with 2/3BB++ over 50K hands multitabling with a VP$IP of ~23. I always justified my VP$IP of 21-22 with Astroglides stats. As I became more proficient, I came to believe that the 3.6 games on party are likely not as loose passive as they were when Astro crushed them.

Thanks for the info.

Krishan

[sublime]

thanks guys, especially scnieder as i wasntd some old stats to compare with newer ones (helpmeout etc)

just for clarifiaction, your numbers include your stats correct?

[Danenania]

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just for clarifiaction, your numbers include your stats correct?

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His included stats are the only reason the average vpips are over 30! /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Schneids]

My stats shouldn't be include with those numbers.

[sublime]

in that case tighter than what i expected.

[Schneids]

I was thinking of going to look again to see what the average pot sizes were. I have a feeling they were a little higher further back.

[sublime]

ahhh so the lower VPIP would be due to more lags and less loos passives. you smaaaaaaat.