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PokerProdigy

03-28-2005, 10:38 PM

Hand 1: Does anybody else like the semi-bluff bet on the turn? Or is a check the better play?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
4 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 4.75 BB

Hand 2: Does anybody else like a fold on the river? Or would you call here? And if so why?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds.

River: (4.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

Hand 3: Does anybody else think that I had the correct implied odds to call the flop? If NOT why?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
5 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (10.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

wabe

03-28-2005, 10:49 PM

Hand 1: your hand is still vulnerable on the turn. Betting is fine.

Hand 2: Either bet the flop or checkraise the turn. I lean towards betting the flop.

Hand 3: 5:1 odds of hitting your gutshot on the turn or river if you play it down. You had correct odds.

ArturiusX

03-28-2005, 10:50 PM

Just before someone yells at you, these hands are very standard and shouldn't really need to be posted.

Hand 1: You have a flush draw, easy bet heads up. On the turn you have a Queen, and the same flush draw, so you're only behind an ace and have a 20% chance of beating an ace. The fact that he checked to you both times suggest he doesn't have the ace, its a ridiculously easy bet in both cases. Its not a semi-bluff.

Hand 2: Fine till the river. I like the bet/fold to a raise line better on the river. Check-calling is weak and you get no folding equity by doing it. If you're always going to call his river bet, bet it yourself.

Hand 3: Raise this preflop. Fold the flop, rest is fine.

ArturiusX

03-28-2005, 10:57 PM

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Hand 2: Either bet the flop or checkraise the turn. I lean towards betting the flop.

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Why bet the flop? We have middle pair, weak kicker, and no draws vs a flush. If someone has a club there going to call no matter what, and so is any Queen. This is a case of wait for the turn.

wabe

03-28-2005, 11:00 PM

You meant spade, eh?

I will tend to bet middle pair in a hand, and am willing to accept this as a leak. I like betting this with 3 spades on the board as well, as I don't want to let some yambag with a weak spade have infinite odds to beat my middle pair.

I am willing to hear arguments against this, though.

ArturiusX

03-28-2005, 11:03 PM

Well, let me put it this way. The reason for betting out is to protect, right?

Wait for the blank on the turn. No blank (a spade) and some action, its an easy fold. But if it is a blank, we can lead out and push out those single spades who fear a slowplayed made flush/higher flush.

But if we bet this flop, single spades will call anyway, and will probably call a turn bet too.

wabe

03-29-2005, 11:00 PM

Protecting your hand is attempting to put someone in a situation in which they face an unprofitable call, correct? I don't know if that applies in this hand, as a flush draw now has odds to call through no matter what betting occurs on the flop or turn.

I bet here because I bet I have the best hand at this point. I have middle pair, even though the board is scary. I'm willing to spend an (a?) SB and see the action back to me to determine my next move. Without any reads, though, I'd call a raise. I have the odds to hit my set.

Sloats

03-29-2005, 11:08 PM

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Just before someone yells at you, these hands are very standard and shouldn't really need to be posted.

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What level should total N00bs be playing, if not Micro?

NateDog

03-29-2005, 11:19 PM

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Just before someone yells at you, these hands are very standard and shouldn't really need to be posted.

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What level should total N00bs be playing, if not Micro?

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He's not saying don't post here. He's saying these are straightforward hands. Post the difficult ones.

iluzion

03-29-2005, 11:28 PM

1: good.
2: good until river, bet and fold to raise, or check/call. dont fold.
3: nice hand, but i'm folding the flop.

4: dont post so many hands in one thread.