so i got this guy's chat blocked at party....

[GrannyMae]

because in a $109 MTT today he told a player to call that was contemplating. i was not involved in the hand.

when the hand was over, i said very nicely,
"do you know it is against the rules to induce action while a hand is in progress?"

he says:

YES


so i fire off to alerts and they just tell me he loses chat for 9 days. the more i look at this guys name, the more i think he may be a trout and if he is, i wanna lash him here too.

his partyname is a variation of nepadude with a number that i i won't post. i tried searching but am having no luck. do we have a nepa or nepadude here?

if there is a nepa and it is you, i say ye don't do that sh[/i]it. thousands of dollars are on the line and you should know better if you are a poster here.

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/3/nono.gif

[Deathbear]

That was me sorry /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[lorinda]

It feels like I've spent the whole day trying to stop idiots from insulting the fish and generally trying to cheat in various ways similar to the one you describe.
In fact I only played for 60 minutes.

I'm absolutely convinced a couple of the idiots were trout of some variety, but they may live in the forum which I don't enter, so I'll never find out.

Lori

[bonanz]

[ QUOTE ]
... do that sh{/i]it. thousands...



[/ QUOTE ]

...and in a post about breach of etiquette and/or rules
http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/3/nono.gif

[GrannyMae]

but does the name look familiar? it just seems familiar, and it would have to be zoo. if you do not recognize the name, then he is probably not a poster. you've been here sustained through them all.

but i'll tell you this. i was reading something the other day that said to stay away from party if you are collusion-paranoid. or play only MTTs. so i try one and there is no collusion but this dipshit not understanding he would get a fat lip if he said that in a casino. well, at least party reacted properly.

i did not think we had people that ignorant, so i hope he is non-trout.

[GrannyMae]

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... do that sh{/i]it. thousands...



[/ QUOTE ]

...and in a post about breach of etiquette and/or rules
http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/3/nono.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/angry/eatme.gif

[lorinda]

PM sent with what I think you're looking for.

Lori

[HavanaBanana]

I have also noticed lots of berating of the 'Fish' lately, half the time they have berated ME which is ok, but when they berate others I have a hard time being quiet, I actually had one guy come back to the room 10-15 minutes later saying he was sorry, I appreciated that.

Typical berater is a player who play all the 'right'hands, and who lose on the river. Now tight doesent mean right, but I do not care to tell them that, usually just ask them why they do not play at a higher limit.

One time I got called the worst 15-30 player of all times by a regular in the game at Stars, PT says I am up on him /images/graemlins/wink.gif

ToT

[dengar]

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One time I got called the worst 15-30 player of all times by a regular in the game at Stars, PT says I am up on him /images/graemlins/wink.gif

ToT

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haha... /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[PrincipalSkinner]

[ QUOTE ]
"because in a $109 MTT today he told a player to call that was contemplating."



hmmm-what am I missing here? Was the guy not involved in the hand?? If he was involved in the hand and just goading/daring his competition, I thought that was fairly commonplace. I see it quite a bit.

[_2000Flushes]

[ QUOTE ]
PT says I am up on him

[/ QUOTE ]
Even a blind nut can find a squirrel every once in a while.

-2kF

[Subby]

Weird - it seems like I see that kind of behavior all the time - I just considered it part of a bluff...I didn't realize it was technically against the rules.

[AngryCola]

[ QUOTE ]
Weird - it seems like I see that kind of behavior all the time - I just considered it part of a bluff...I didn't realize it was technically against the rules.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's different if the player is not involved in the hand, which I'm assuming is the case here.

[GrannyMae]

answer to you and my pumpkin headed buddy, subby.

whether the player typing "call, call" was in the hand, out of the hand, on the rail or wherever, it is illegal to make this comment in chat. it violates the rules of all online sites in using the chat feature to induce action.

i understand that you guys may see this alot, but it does not make it a legal move, and it is a VERY important rule to follow.

let me ask you something..

let's say you pushed all in deep in a tourney on a bluff. you do NOT want a call, yet some monkey keeps telling your opponent yet to act to call you down. if he does so, you are on the rail because you are only bluffing.

how would you feel in this situation?

i'll bet you would be pretty damn angry if that player called.

<font color="green">Dear Granny,

We would like to thank you for bringing to our notice the inappropriate conversation by the player "NepaXXXX".

This is definitely not acceptable, and the chat feature is provided for players as a "add on" feature to better experience the action at our tables and also because we know that poker is a social game, however, any misuse of this feature is not permitted.

We do not allow such activities on our site and hence have asked him to explain this to us. Given the evidence shown by our game and chat records we have proceeded to block the players chat for a period of 9 days.

We thank you for the report; we appreciate it, as keeping the games honest is our highest priority.

Contact us anytime, we are available around the clock to assist you with your account related questions and suggestions.


Sincerely,

Jathin
Investigations Team
alerts@PartyPoker.com </font>

[GrannyMae]

fwiw

had this player told me he had no idea it was illegal, i would have never reported him, i would have explained the rule to him and why it is important to follow.

his smartass remark that he knew it was illegal, yet chose to is ths the reason i narced. i would never have turned in a beginner who did not know better.

[AngryCola]

I'm curious why being in the hand or not doesn't make a difference.

Most online sites try to mimic the rules of B&amp;M room.
And in most rooms, if you are in a situation where you have bet and only one player with a decision remains, you are allowed to talk to them to try to induce a call or fold.

Why would online rooms not allow this practice?
I'm not saying you're wrong about the rule, but I don't get why it should be different than most B&amp;M rules.

[Subby]

Thanks for the explanation. If a player is still in the hand, I guess I don't see a problem with it, other than maybe as a breach of etiquette.

I was at a table once where a guy said "I have to take off...who wants my chips?" followed by him going all-in. Someone with a less than stellar hand called and the guy flipped over AA and knocked the caller out. Pretty brutal.

[etgryphon]

[ QUOTE ]

I was at a table once where a guy said "I have to take off...who wants my chips?" followed by him going all-in. Someone with a less than stellar hand called and the guy flipped over AA and knocked the caller out. Pretty brutal.

[/ QUOTE ]

Interesting tactic...

-Gryph

[GrannyMae]

this is different.

if player A makes a bet and he is in the hand only with player B. player A is more than welcome to say anything he wants to induce his opponent to call him.

when it is heads up, and it is only the 2 players talking to each other, this rule would not apply.

nepa was a player at the table not in the hand. he simply wanted one of them to go bust.

if it were a scotty nguyen type comment between the 2 "you call and it is over. BABY", then it is kosher and actually a good tool.

[AngryCola]

Okay, that's what I had always thought.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Mike Haven]

You're lucky Granny hasn't seen your confession.

[PapaSan]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr />
I'm curious why being in the hand or not doesn't make a difference.

Most online sites try to mimic the rules of B&amp;M room.
And in most rooms, if you are in a situation where you have bet and only one player with a decision remains, you are allowed to talk to them to try to induce a call or fold.

Why would online rooms not allow this practice?
I'm not saying you're wrong about the rule, but I don't get why it should be different than most B&amp;M rules.

[/ QUOTE ]

Most cardrooms wont allow this either its called angling i've only seen it enforced once and i personally could care less what someone says during a hand.

[wbrumfiel]

Although it wasnt me as I dont have the bankroll for such games, I can say I see this ALL the time, and have been guilty of it myself sometimes. I too know its against the rules and should stop. However, lambasting the guy on 2+2 surely won't solve anything. The other night there was a guy named something like ICallAnything at the $5.50 I was playing and he was literally calling anything. The 3rd heart came on the board in a hand I wasnt in and I simply typed "flush" in the chat box. Never said who had it or anything but it was obvious it was him who did. Sometimes its just too enticing to type those things in and I should probably have my chat banned for 9 days for doing so, oh well.

[lorinda]

I guess I don't see a problem with it, other than maybe as a breach of etiquette.

It CAN (of course it usually isn't) be collusion.

Let's say you are bluffing all-in against a tight fish and Dan N walks by and says "Hey, fish, call it!, he's bluffing!".
The fish isn't convinced, so Howard Lederer pops along and says the same thing.

At what point do you start to feel this isn't fair?

Lori

[Subby]

[ QUOTE ]
It CAN (of course it usually isn't) be collusion.

Let's say you are bluffing all-in against a tight fish and Dan N walks by and says "Hey, fish, call it!, he's bluffing!".
The fish isn't convinced, so Howard Lederer pops along and says the same thing.

At what point do you start to feel this isn't fair?

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually I was referring to a player who was still in the hand commenting - I completely agree with you otherwise.

[AngryCola]

[ QUOTE ]
I wasnt in and I simply typed "flush" in the chat box. Never said who had it or anything but it was obvious it was him who did. Sometimes its just too enticing to type those things in and I should probably have my chat banned for 9 days for doing so, oh well.

[/ QUOTE ]

If it were up to me, it would be a permanent chat ban.

Seriously, don't do this kind of stuff.

[climber]

Ok clear this up for me guys...whats OK and what isn't?

HU format not OK?
HU withing a larger game--OK if you are one of the two HU?
Multi-way pot--in the hand????? I'm guessing bad?

Out of the hand--bad!
Not at the table--really bad!!

I got berated once for telling someone to call in a 10+1 Part SNG i was playing a couple months back. I'm pretty sure i was in the hand and it was 3way+ at the time. I was just screwing around and didn't know it was not allowed--I know now and haven't done it since but posteras above seem to suggest it is acceptable in certain contexts?

I've never played live... /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[GrannyMae]

HU format not OK?


not only ok in a HU format, but also ok in a full table if it becomes HU and the only 2 talking are the players still in hand.

in *any* other situation, it is not allowed.

I've never played live...

this is why i asked the guy if he knew the rule. i understand there are many players that have not played live and i would have tried to explain and never have reported him. his smugness with his admission that he knew of this but still violated is why i reported.

i guarantee people have been actually shot for this in the old days in texas back rooms.

[MicroBob]

agreed...that's terrible.

I've been in hands where I have quads or a high full-house and the other player is giving me all kinds of action....then someone types "Wow....I guess one of you guys has quads" and the other player slows down.

Sometimes it doesn't occur to the opponent that their T7 on board of AK77 might NOT be the best hand until you point it out to them.

The guy pointing it out is just generally trying to show off his superior hand-reading abilities by discussing the hand in progress and it's really kind of pathetic and ridiculous.

If it happened live someone would likely get the crap kicked out of them.

[Shoe]

I've seen this happen live, and on TV.

I think it was the most recent WPT, but it may have been something on foxsportsnet or something.

A somewhat big stack moves all in against the big stack. A player out of the hand tells the big stack "don't let him push you around."

Of course, he benefits greatly if the big stack calls as he has a chance to move up in the money. Is this a rule violation?

No discipline was taken, and the announcers commented on it like it was perfecly acceptable.

[MicroBob]

[ QUOTE ]

i did not think we had people that ignorant, so i hope he is non-trout.

[/ QUOTE ]



Granny,
i don't think you meant this literally but you really should know better than this.
2+2 is growing more and more all the time and the number of mediocre to sub-mediocre players we have around here is increasing all the time.

Trout does not necessarily equal good player....and it certainly doesn't necessarily equal a player who doesn't abuse in chat somehow.

[AAmaz0n]

[ QUOTE ]
Ok clear this up for me guys...whats OK and what isn't?

HU format not OK?
HU withing a larger game--OK if you are one of the two HU?
Multi-way pot--in the hand????? I'm guessing bad?

Out of the hand--bad!
Not at the table--really bad!!

I got berated once for telling someone to call in a 10+1 Part SNG i was playing a couple months back. I'm pretty sure i was in the hand and it was 3way+ at the time. I was just screwing around and didn't know it was not allowed--I know now and haven't done it since but posteras above seem to suggest it is acceptable in certain contexts?

I've never played live... /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

If the online rooms were to follow TDA rules like the B&amp;M rooms, it is like this:


If you are HU you can talk to your opponent about the hand, ask them what they have, tell them you have XX, whatever.

Multiway; trying to induce folks to call or fold is at least a warning and possibly a 20 minute penalty. Mentioning that there is a flush/str8/etc on board is also probably a warning the first time and a penalty if it continues.

Out of the hand; any conversation about the hand is considered rude. Saying anything that would influence the play of the hand violates the "one player to a hand rule" and could get a 20 min penalty.

Spectators: would be told to STFU if they said anything about the hand in play that the players could hear, and ejected if they contiued to do it.

Most players online don't seem to realize how serious this kind of chat is taken in live play and don't respect these boundries. I seem to get into a number of arguments with folks in SnG's who talk about what another player should do, and they get very abusive with me when I point out that it is against the rules.

I wish that more folks would report this kind of behavior and make players aware that chat that influences play is wrong and won't be tolerated.

Shauna

[wbrumfiel]

I already said I shouldnt and its not like I do it all the time. I dont know about a permanent ban. I mean the B&amp;Ms wouldnt do a perma-ban on something like this, why would online be different. like the other posters said its probably a warning and at MOST a 20 minute penalty. Id say 9 days is enough.

[climber]

Nice guys thanks for all the explanations.