Bunky invades the 10-20 - AK on a monotone flop.

[bunky9590]

Sup gang, been away for a while and decided to come and get out of the kiddie pool and start playing some 10-20 6 max. Yummy.

Villain in the hand is on the aggro side (as is the game in general) and he'd been caught with his hand in the cookie jar previously. ANyone else call down here?

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Preflop: Bunkyfish is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Bunkyfish raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (5 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Bunkyfish bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Bunkyfish calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Bunkyfish calls.

River: (6.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Bunkyfish calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

[Victor]

im 3betting the flop. you are ahead so i think it is important to get as many bets in now.

i fold the turn but i suck, especially at 10-20.

[Oilcan]

I'd like to know opinion on this as well.

Schneids, Gonores, Stripsqueeze, Peter Rus ?

Right now I'm 3 betting that flop. Thinking that I'm still ahead, and calling a cap.

After that player dependant?...6 max experts opinion please? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ISF]

Were you going to raise a safe turn card? Otherwise I would treebet this flop.
I think I would call down here, but not sure if thats right or not.

[TStoneMBD]

were you planning on raising a blank turn? i like that line.

[Alobar]

I just call the flop, and raise any non club turn.

Against this guy, it sounds like a call down is in order. Im not mucking TPTK on a board that any idiot will bluff at.

[tolbiny]

i am with the crew that says to raise a non club turn.

[bunky9590]

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were you planning on raising a blank turn?

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You know thats right! /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Looked to me like he had some variety of ace and tried to move me off. I decided to go into call down mode though on the club turn.

[cjx]

No love for raising the turn anyway? I mean, if he folds I think that's ok (especially if he folds a baby club), if he calls you can check behind or fold to his stop n go (unlikely bluff there I think), and if he reraises I gotta believe you can lay that down with confidence. In the end you're investing the same amount, losing where you catch him bluff and winning where you move him off a baby club. Not sure which is more likley. Maybe good for your image to show that you won't be scared off if you catch him bluffing here by calling down.

cjx

[Victor]

if he checks the turn more than 50% of the time you lose money.

[bunky9590]

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I just call the flop, and raise any non club turn.


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Precisely my thought process.

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Against this guy, it sounds like a call down is in order. Im not mucking TPTK on a board that any idiot will bluff at.

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precisely why I didn't fold. It just looked to me like some Ace rag variety hand. I called down because if he has a club, god bless him. I thought for about a millisecond about raising the river but thought better of that, what worse hand is going to call there more often than when I'm beat.

[MAxx]

Headsup i like 3betting monotone flops when I have top pair. I feel like when its heads up people play their draws super aggressively, thinking that if their draw doesnt come through... there is always fold equity. Therefore, I like to make them pay up front...cuzz they will.

If it is not heads up, I like waiting to raise a turn non club. Then I can more successfully exercise my leverage at the turn, rather than being the victim of a multiway flop flush pumper.

[bunky9590]

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Headsup i like 3betting monotone flops when I have top pair.

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Well, While I don't disagree with that in general bud, you don't vary it at all?

Heads up I'm much more likely to smooth call a checkraise and pop a blank turn especially in 10-20. The level of aggression there in my short visit so far make the Party 5-10 6 max seem like a live casino 2-4 in terms of passivity.

[MAxx]

i do vary it. i was sharing my preferred defaults.

i don't doubt the aggression increase at 10/20. it would make me like 3 betting betting this flop heads up more, not less.

[TStoneMBD]

i like raising the blank turn line, but there are some problems.

for one, if you raise a blank turn, villain may be able to fold a weak ace or a 7 easily.

if you 3bet the flop, it looks like you are just on a club and villain will pay you off.

if you 3bet the flop and a club falls, villain will often check to you and you can pay 1 bet when behind instead of the 2 in this particular instance.

[bunky9590]

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for one, if you raise a blank turn, villain may be able to fold a weak ace or a 7 easily.


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True that, but if he has a weak Ace with a club , I really don't mind that.

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if you 3bet the flop, it looks like you are just on a club and villain will pay you off.


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Hey mike, I see the point, But I dunno what the heck a flop three ebt represents anymore, a vulnuerable made hand or a strong draw? I use it both ways and in varying circumstances so much that even I don't know what I want to do.

I thought about raising the turn anyway, but villain would tree bet a bluf as well as the nuts, so I don't know what I have to gain, he would also continue to bet a weak ace or a bluff too (as well as a flush) so in this instance a call down looked pretty good to me.

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if you 3bet the flop and a club falls, villain will often check to you and you can pay 1 bet when behind instead of the 2 in this particular instance.

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This works too but I would really hate to fold to a turn checkraise against a LAG who is capable of bluffing there. Was just a weird situation.

[Victor]

dont forget the times villain checks the turn.

[bunky9590]

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dont forget the times villain checks the turn.

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I like you victor, but please read this as playful sarcasm. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Find me one cat in 50 in 5-10 or 10-20 6 max that will check raise the flop and not bet the ever loving turn card regardless of what comes (well, the only ones that I know of are tricky 2p2 players trying to get in the trifecta club, but they are few and far between.)

[tolbiny]

"Villain in the hand is on the aggro side"

[bunky9590]

Villain flip T /images/graemlins/heart.gif 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif. My hand is obviously good.

Boy is this game major aggro or what? I'm glad I read alot about the 10-20 before actually playing in it. This game is off the hook aggressive from what Ive seen.