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Maurader1
03-27-2005, 10:57 PM
I called pf figuring the pot was big enough to warrant it...hoping no1 would raise...

Comments on all further streets appreciated!

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (19 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, Button folds.

River: (17.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB
drdre2001mm
03-27-2005, 10:58 PM
As requested I flame your pre-flop call. Rest of the hand looks fine to me.
mantasm
03-27-2005, 11:02 PM
Sure. Go here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/postlist.php?Cat=&amp;Board=micro). You need it.
Maurader1
03-27-2005, 11:09 PM
Since I called the first time, should I call the 3-bet because of the big pot and I'm closing the action?
mantasm
03-27-2005, 11:11 PM
The second call is more correct than the first.
PokerProdigy
03-27-2005, 11:20 PM
The preflop call had to be wrong, because you have a non-suited connector with one gap. But I think you made a mistake on the flop by NOT re-raising UTG+1 (when he three bet) after a few people called, because you should have pushed your pot equity edge here. Turn and river play look good though.
pokerkai
03-27-2005, 11:20 PM
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The second call is more correct than the first.

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but still not good
Maurader1
03-27-2005, 11:27 PM
If I 3-bet on the flop, and was capped, would I be hesitant and think AA?
Valuebettingtheriver
03-27-2005, 11:41 PM
explain why preflop call is bad. You are getting 8 to 1. I would take those odds with a single gapper. I think folding is a mistake.
Valuebettingtheriver
03-27-2005, 11:44 PM
In my experience with PP .5/1 people like 3-betting with small pairs.
spydog
03-27-2005, 11:46 PM
You should be calling any one-gapper (down to 53o) preflop getting 12:1.
Maurader1
03-27-2005, 11:54 PM
is there a reason why 24o isn't included?
spydog
03-28-2005, 12:17 AM
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is there a reason why 24o isn't included?

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42o makes less possible straights then 53o and above. It is probably still OK to play getting 13:1.
CallMeIshmael
03-28-2005, 01:08 AM
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42o makes less possible straights then 53o and above. It is probably still OK to play getting 13:1.

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You're about 14.3-1 to flop:

A straight
An OESD
3 of a kind
4s over 2s

So, perhaps 42o is stretching it a bit. But, this doesnt take into account flopped gutters. 53o is cool though.

(im not sure that in a pot with that many players flopping 1 pair is +ev)
jason_t
03-28-2005, 01:14 AM
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explain why preflop call is bad. You are getting 8 to 1. I would take those odds with a single gapper. I think folding is a mistake.

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Unsuited connectors (http://www.pokerstove.com/analysis/unsuited.php)
CallMeIshmael
03-28-2005, 01:28 AM
I'm thinking 15:1 might be a little much...given the probability of flopping:

3 of a kind: 1.3%
Two pairs: 2.0%
Straight: 1.0%
OESD on unpaired board: 4.6%

Total: 8.8% = 10.3-1