KJs

[MoDOH]

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CO is a 60/20/2 over 150 hands. he is spewing chips postflop
The other guys are all 40+ VP$IP and donkish
a great table...


Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (13 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>...

[rmarotti]

Nice suckout. . . ?

[Alobar]

I play the same

[Danenania]

Well played.

[sthief09]

how about a turn check raise or a flop 3-bet. in addition to cleaning up your likely dominated pair outs, you get a semibluff in. he'll fold KQ, KJ, and QJ (even though QJ is a worse hand, he'll otherwise bet and you'll fold the river) on the river most likely

[Alobar]

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how about a turn check raise or a flop 3-bet. in addition to cleaning up your likely dominated pair outs, you get a semibluff in. he'll fold KQ, KJ, and QJ (even though QJ is a worse hand, he'll otherwise bet and you'll fold the river) on the river most likely

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I dont think u have chance in folding out 3 donk players with as much action as is going on

[BottlesOf]

I would check-3bet that flop...

[Danenania]

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I would check-3bet that flop...

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I think this can be a great play sometimes and a pretty bad play sometimes all depending on your read of the other players involved.

[ALL1N]

I think this is a clear flop 3-bet.

[maxpowers21]

Side note: Against bad/terrible opponets i try to play as straight-forward as possible.

You have a mega-draw, so you might as well pump the pot on the flop for a raise, you certainly have pot-equity.

If you induce folds, you may increase your equity by cleaning up some outs and will put more money in the pot when you have more then your fair share of pot equity.

If you induce calls then you are getting more bets in with by far more pot-equity then your fair share, and you gain even more bets.

This is a win-win scenario and an easy easy flop 3bet.

[Kenrick]

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You have a mega-draw, so you might as well pump the pot on the flop for a raise, you certainly have pot-equity.


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A gutshot and two overs is a mega-draw? Tell me what I am missing. I don't see it.

[RunDownHouse]

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A gutshot and two overs is a mega-draw? Tell me what I am missing. I don't see it.

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The other gutshot.

[ravballz]

the J outs are dead though

[afk]

Is this too weak to 3bet preflop, out of position?

[Victor]

i fold preflop. postflop plays itself and i like the river bet as you should get some callers and might get raised by 2 pair (such as q10, q9)

[afk]

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i fold preflop. postflop plays itself and i like the river bet as you should get some callers and might get raised by 2 pair (such as q10, q9)

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You'd fold preflop against a very loose and aggressive (maniacal) player?

[MoDOH]

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i fold preflop.

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Do you call here with AJs? KQs? QJs? TJs?

[djoyce003]

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You have a mega-draw, so you might as well pump the pot on the flop for a raise, you certainly have pot-equity.


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A gutshot and two overs is a mega-draw? Tell me what I am missing. I don't see it.

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You missed his double gutshot, it's not a gutshot at all...hence their danger, the opponents tend to miss them as well.

[Victor]

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You'd fold preflop against a very loose and aggressive (maniacal) player?

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i guess it would depend on how maniacal this guy was. i can think of many situations where i would call here, but, generally, i dont like coldcalling in the worst position with a marginal, potentially, dominated hand.

for instance, what are this guys raising standards? does he routinely open with ax, kx or any 2 cards? if so, i can call here.

the problem is the limpers, combined with a lag postflop. it could be very easy to flop a marginal hand and have to put in a lot of chips with 2nd best.

[Victor]

i 3bet AJs, A10s, 77 and maybe KQs (at least call). i call with AJ and KQ. the rest hit the muck.

[ISF]

I think you played it fine. I stopped trying to clean up outs against vpip &gt; 50 guys except in extreme cases. Might as well just wait till you hit to pump it.

[MoDOH]

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i 3bet AJs, A10s, 77 and maybe KQs (at least call). i call with AJ and KQ. the rest hit the muck.

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So you threebet with AJs and ATs but fold KJs...
A little drastical don´t you think? surely if AJs and ATs is worth 3-betting KJs would be worth calling with?

cause if domination is what you are concerned of you realize that AJ and AK dominate your hands as much as they do KJ plus you got AQ also... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Alobar]

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I think you played it fine. I stopped trying to clean up outs against vpip &gt; 50 guys except in extreme cases. Might as well just wait till you hit to pump it.

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bingo

[MoDOH]

What if the 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif on the flop had bee nsomething like 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif instead? How would you have played it then?

FWIW I would have played it exactly the same postflop...

[Alobar]

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What if the 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif on the flop had bee nsomething like 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif instead? How would you have played it then?

FWIW I would have played it exactly the same postflop...

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In that case, id be folding this river...not betting it....fish! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[MoDOH]

Doh! I am too tired...

what i meant was that if the 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif were the 2 /images/graemlins/club.gif instead... Thus only having a gutshot plus two overs and a backdoor...

Meh...

[maxpowers21]

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You have a mega-draw, so you might as well pump the pot on the flop for a raise, you certainly have pot-equity.


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A gutshot and two overs is a mega-draw? Tell me what I am missing. I don't see it.

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Double belly buster, thats 4 more outs, so hes got a potential 14 outs twice.