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JinX11

03-27-2005, 03:56 PM

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Heels had better win, so they can take out Illinois if necessary.

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Yes, Illinois kept my dream alive:

UNC beats Wisconsin today.
UNC beats Michigan St. on Saturday.
UNC beats Illinois in the Finals.
I rag every Big Ten supporter on 2+2 for a long, long time.

MEbenhoe

03-27-2005, 03:56 PM

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Heels had better win, so they can take out Illinois if necessary.

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If you really want someone to beat Illinois, I'd cheer for someone other than UNC. Roy Williams = choke artist

Dead

03-27-2005, 03:57 PM

I am a Big East-Syracuse fan, so after WV's demise, I can still root for a soon to be Big East team in Louisville.

Louisville beats Illinois.

Louisville beats UNC in the championship game.

Hey it could happen.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 03:58 PM

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Heels had better win, so they can take out Illinois if necessary.

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Are there any teams from the "best conference in the country" Big East playing today?

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 03:58 PM

On Wisconsin!

mmbt0ne

03-27-2005, 03:59 PM

If anyone beats the Illini, I think it's Louisville or UNC. Pitino is the best coach they will ever face, and if anyone can get an outmatched team to compete, it's him. UNC has all the pieces to beat Illinois, but Roy is going to have to prove he can handle it, and keep his teams' heads in the game.

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 03:59 PM

F*ck 'em Bucky!

Ok I'm done.

MEbenhoe

03-27-2005, 03:59 PM

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I am a Big East-Syracuse fan, so after WV's demise, I can still root for a soon to be Big East team in Louisville.

Louisville beats Illinois.

Louisville beats UNC in the championship game.

Hey it could happen.

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I think Louisville actually has a very good shot at the National Championship this year. They have the best coach out of the teams left, and a lot of talent.

James282

03-27-2005, 03:59 PM

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nothing would make me happier today than my homestate team beating the team I hate more than any other team in college basketball. GO BADGERS!!

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Can't happen, I need UNC to win this thing so I win the 2+2 pool. Course I'm not worried, Wisconsin already looks lost out there.
-James

MEbenhoe

03-27-2005, 04:02 PM

As expected, refs already leaning towards UNC. /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Dead

03-27-2005, 04:06 PM

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Heels had better win, so they can take out Illinois if necessary.

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Are there any teams from the "best conference in the country" Big East playing today?

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2 or 3 I think.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 04:08 PM

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JinX11

03-27-2005, 04:09 PM

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As expected, refs already leaning towards UNC. /images/graemlins/mad.gif

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Yeah, and this pace very much does not favor Wisconsin...pace has it in the 80s or 90s. Right where UNC wants to play.

prizminferno

03-27-2005, 04:11 PM

Wisconsin is getting owned, as expected. This should be a 20 point game by the end.

JinX11

03-27-2005, 04:18 PM

If Wisconsin slowed it down, I think they could give UNC fits. At this pace, yes, should be a large gap. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

James282

03-27-2005, 04:20 PM

Clark - how do you feel after watching Illinois suffer against a team with legitimate athletic big men? Not trying to talk trash, just asking if you think Illinois is as much of a shoe-in as you did in your post where you ranked the team

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I think UNC is the favorite right now because, assuming UNC and Illinois make the finals, the Illini have no real answer for May down low. After watching those Illini show so much heart it's tough to pick anyone over them, but I don't know, UNC looks so athletic right now.
-James

jesusarenque

03-27-2005, 04:20 PM

I don't think anyone in this tournament has an answer for Sean May.

Jack of Arcades

03-27-2005, 04:21 PM

No joke, it looks like the Badgers wanna lose 100-80.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 04:23 PM

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Clark - how do you feel after watching Illinois suffer against a team with legitimate athletic big men? Not trying to talk trash, just asking if you think Illinois is as much of a shoe-in as you did in your post where you ranked the team

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I think UNC is the favorite right now because, assuming UNC and Illinois make the finals, the Illini have no real answer for May down low. After watching those Illini show so much heart it's tough to pick anyone over them, but I don't know, UNC looks so athletic right now.
-James

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Well, since it looks like Illinois and UNC are both going to be in the Final Four and favored to win their respective Final Four games, I don't know how one could take that statement and say it was wrong.

Jack of Arcades

03-27-2005, 04:25 PM

Well, OK, UNC has just shot their way out of their commanding lead.

JinX11

03-27-2005, 04:25 PM

Give em credit, though - tie game.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 04:26 PM

I hate Bucky, but I'd damn sure rather play them in the Final game than UNC since we are 3-0 against them. Can they just blow up the building and have neither one win?

44-44 tie

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 04:26 PM

HELL YEAH

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 04:27 PM

What a comeback. Mccants is a ball hog.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 04:29 PM

At this point it's damn hard to say the Big Ten is not at least in the discussion for the best conference in the country this year. Wisky is clearly the worst of the 3 top BT teams and they are giving UNC all they can handle while MSU drew off from Duke and Illinois crushed Wake earlier in the year.

zaxx19

03-27-2005, 04:30 PM

Wow the B10 has already made their statement in this tourney...

I fully expect Wisky to loose this game but jeezus they were argueably the 4th best team in the B10 at the end of the yr(depends how yu saw Ohio St.) and they go in at half even with the "monster" UNC...

The B10 might not of been the strongest conference in the nation this yr but it seems as though many vastly underatted the squads in it.

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 04:30 PM

Have to respect the discipline of the Badgers. They seemed lost early, but the defense really clamped down toward the end there. Wilkinson was really making some heads up plays. Hanson was the only thing keeping us in the game early.

DangerGoodson

03-27-2005, 04:32 PM

hehe...44-44 we have no chance at this pace. We need to keep UNC under 70 and I don't see that happening. Oh well I'm enjoying it.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 04:32 PM

Bo Ryan is a hell of a coach.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 04:33 PM

You have to admit that it's funny seeing two others with your "former" avatar in this thread. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

JinX11

03-27-2005, 04:33 PM

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At this point it's damn hard to say the Big Ten is not at least in the discussion for the best conference in the country this year. Wisky is clearly the worst of the 3 top BT teams and they are giving UNC all they can handle while MSU drew off from Duke and Illinois crushed Wake earlier in the year.

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Agreed: they are in the discussion. Like you, I just dont see the argument for Big East. Thus far, Big Ten has been the best in this tournament. But, ACC did crush Big Ten headsup in the ACC-Big Ten challenge (which, I'll admit, was a while ago).

zaxx19

03-27-2005, 04:33 PM

Ya, he is....

Kinda inherited the Gene Keady mantle of B10 overachievment didnt he.

zaxx19

03-27-2005, 04:35 PM

It was not only "awhile ago" but it was in games 1/20th as important as tourney games....

Thats not to say the B10 was better than the ACC this yr....just something that needs to be noted.

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 04:36 PM

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Bo Ryan is a hell of a coach.

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True.

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 05:02 PM

Why on Earth is Morley's doofy ass bringing the ball up so much.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:07 PM

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Clark - how do you feel after watching Illinois suffer against a team with legitimate athletic big men? Not trying to talk trash, just asking if you think Illinois is as much of a shoe-in as you did in your post where you ranked the team

Illinois
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everybody else.

I think UNC is the favorite right now because, assuming UNC and Illinois make the finals, the Illini have no real answer for May down low. After watching those Illini show so much heart it's tough to pick anyone over them, but I don't know, UNC looks so athletic right now.
-James

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Well, since it looks like Illinois and UNC are both going to be in the Final Four and favored to win their respective Final Four games, I don't know how one could take that statement and say it was wrong.

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Besides, I love how quickly people forget UNC's life and death performance against a Nova team with its best player out, along with their lackluster performance against Ga Tech in the ACC Tourney.

Dead

03-27-2005, 05:09 PM

Careful, Clark.

Wouldn't want to give Nova(an evil Big East team) any credit, would you? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:11 PM

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Careful, Clark.

Wouldn't want to give Nova(an evil Big East team) any credit, would you?

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I never said the Big East was evil. In fact, most of the season I touted them as the best conference in the country on these boards. But subsequent analysis and evidence pertaining to the teams out of conference performance caused me to change my mind. I think most rational people also changed their minds.

Dead

03-27-2005, 05:12 PM

Meh, wait till next year buddy.

When the Big East adds two more top 25 teams.

There will be no question then about which conference is the best.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:13 PM

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Meh, wait till next year buddy.

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Careful, you are coming dangerously close to admitting the Big East was not, in fact, the best conference in the country this year.

Dead

03-27-2005, 05:14 PM

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So which conference is the best this year, Clark?

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:14 PM

Good call:

"outside - here we go again!"

Bucky for another 3.

70-67

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:14 PM

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So which conference is the best this year, Clark?

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You first.

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 05:15 PM

Apparently our big guys never heard of boxing out, or getting up from the floor. Hanson is God though.

JinX11

03-27-2005, 05:16 PM

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So which conference is the best this year, Clark?

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You first.

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Both of you should bury this silly rivalry, shake hands, and say together: "ACC".

Dead

03-27-2005, 05:17 PM

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So which conference is the best this year, Clark?

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You first.

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Both of you should bury this silly rivalry, shake hands, and say together: "ACC".

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America East. Clark's turn.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:19 PM

codewarrior

03-27-2005, 05:20 PM

I went to UNC. UNC will lose. Next thread.... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 05:20 PM

Wow. We've got a great game on our hands here folks.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:21 PM

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Wow. We've got a great game on our hands here folks.

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Though you'd never know it from listening to Lundquist and Raftery fawning all over UNC.

Dead

03-27-2005, 05:21 PM

So you think the ACC is the best conference this year?

Where would you rank the Big Easy?

jesusarenque

03-27-2005, 05:21 PM

If UNC loses this game, I think Roy Williams takes the blame. Wisconsin can't stop May, yet the 'Heels are running down and taking silly shots without even throwing it to May.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:22 PM

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If UNC loses this game, I think Roy Williams takes the blame. Wisconsin can't stop May, yet the 'Heels are running down and taking silly shots without even throwing it to May.

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It wouldn't be the first time Roy underachieved in the tourney with a dominant-looking #1 seed.

JinX11

03-27-2005, 05:23 PM

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If UNC loses this game, I think Roy Williams takes the blame. Wisconsin can't stop May, yet the 'Heels are running down and taking silly shots without even throwing it to May.

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Ding-ding - we have a winner. UNC looks all out of sorts.

Dead

03-27-2005, 05:23 PM

Kansas underachieved as a #2 in 2003. And SU overachieved as a #3. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 05:24 PM

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Wow. We've got a great game on our hands here folks.

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Though you'd never know it from listening to Lundquist and Raftery fawning all over UNC.

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Indeed. Quite annoying. Apparently we have to win the game before everyone will stop talking about how great UNC is.

jesusarenque

03-27-2005, 05:25 PM

UNC is playing like it is down 15.

zaxx19

03-27-2005, 05:26 PM

Why May isnt being feed the ball on every trip is beyond me....???

prizminferno

03-27-2005, 05:29 PM

Vernequist is openly rooting for Wisconsin. Hard to listen to his crap.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:29 PM

UNC up 1 at the line for two shots with about 2:30 to go.

Wisky keeps getting good looks though and if that keeps happening, this one could come down to the wire. Great game.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:32 PM

Alley-oop to cut it to 3 with 1:20 to go.

Dead

03-27-2005, 05:32 PM

ALLEYYY OOOP

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:33 PM

Quick trading of 3's. Bucky refuses to die.

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 05:33 PM

Wow. What a game!!

JinX11

03-27-2005, 05:33 PM

McCants with a dagger - Taylor with one right back. Not quite as exciting as last night's games, but still a good one.

BWebb

03-27-2005, 05:34 PM

Whatever happens, Wisc. plays a beautiful and enjoyable game of basketball. Cuts, curls, screens, back screens, it's awesome to watch.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 05:38 PM

Good game by both teams. Wisky just couldn't quite get over the hump. The had IIRC 3 consecutive possessions to et the lead around the 4:00 mark and couldn't convert. That cost them.

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 05:39 PM

Damn.

prizminferno

03-27-2005, 05:40 PM

TAR...
HEELS!!!

Phoenix1010

03-27-2005, 05:44 PM

Wisco played a great game and showed a lot of heart. We've got nothing to be ashamed of. Excellent game overall.

JinX11

03-27-2005, 05:45 PM

The dream lives....

UNC beats Wisconsin today. ---CHECK---
UNC beats Michigan St. on Saturday.
UNC beats Illinois in the Finals.
I rag every Big Ten supporter on 2+2 for a long, long time.

GO SPARTANS!!

DangerGoodson

03-27-2005, 05:53 PM

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You have to admit that it's funny seeing two others with your "former" avatar in this thread. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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I guess I'm not the only one to bet against Illinois.

DangerGoodson

03-27-2005, 06:02 PM

Good game. It's a shame Devin Harris is wearing a mavericks jeresy instead of a badger one, we would be in the final four.

I can't see how anyone can argue that the big ten isn't the best conference in the nation this year. 3 teams in the Eilte 8, did any other conference get more than one? How did the 3rd best team in the ACC (wake) do against the best team in the big ten (Illinois) this year? blowout loss. How did the third best team (wisconsin) in the big ten do against the best team in the ACC (UNC)? tough fought loss.

There is no argument. Big Ten > ACC or any other conference.

Clarkmeister

03-27-2005, 06:04 PM

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There is no argument. Big Ten > ACC or any other conference.

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Well, I think there's an argument but it's clearly a two horse race, with CUSA, the Big East and Big 12 all competing for the bronze.

Dead

03-27-2005, 06:12 PM

Three of the last 6 national champions have been Big East teams.

ClassicBob

03-27-2005, 06:14 PM

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Three of the last 6 national champions have been Big East teams.

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You have consistently said this. Why have you not realized that all of the conference debates refer to this year, not the past? Are you that dense?

jesusarenque

03-27-2005, 06:14 PM

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Good game. It's a shame Devin Harris is wearing a mavericks jeresy instead of a badger one, we would be in the final four.

I can't see how anyone can argue that the big ten isn't the best conference in the nation this year. 3 teams in the Eilte 8, did any other conference get more than one? How did the 3rd best team in the ACC (wake) do against the best team in the big ten (Illinois) this year? blowout loss. How did the third best team (wisconsin) in the big ten do against the best team in the ACC (UNC)? tough fought loss.

There is no argument. Big Ten > ACC or any other conference.

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Yup, and Bucknell>Kansas because they beat them in the tournament.

DangerGoodson

03-27-2005, 06:18 PM

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Good game. It's a shame Devin Harris is wearing a mavericks jeresy instead of a badger one, we would be in the final four.

I can't see how anyone can argue that the big ten isn't the best conference in the nation this year. 3 teams in the Eilte 8, did any other conference get more than one? How did the 3rd best team in the ACC (wake) do against the best team in the big ten (Illinois) this year? blowout loss. How did the third best team (wisconsin) in the big ten do against the best team in the ACC (UNC)? tough fought loss.

There is no argument. Big Ten > ACC or any other conference.

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Yup, and Bucknell>Kansas because they beat them in the tournament.

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a win is a win

jesusarenque

03-27-2005, 06:20 PM

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Good game. It's a shame Devin Harris is wearing a mavericks jeresy instead of a badger one, we would be in the final four.

I can't see how anyone can argue that the big ten isn't the best conference in the nation this year. 3 teams in the Eilte 8, did any other conference get more than one? How did the 3rd best team in the ACC (wake) do against the best team in the big ten (Illinois) this year? blowout loss. How did the third best team (wisconsin) in the big ten do against the best team in the ACC (UNC)? tough fought loss.

There is no argument. Big Ten > ACC or any other conference.

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Yup, and Bucknell>Kansas because they beat them in the tournament.

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a win is a win

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Yes, but saying one team (or conference) is better than another bases solely on the tournament doesn't work. Sample size. The ACC was the best conference this year, followed by the Big Ten.

JinX11

03-27-2005, 06:21 PM

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I can't see how anyone can argue that the big ten isn't the best conference in the nation this year. 3 teams in the Eilte 8, did any other conference get more than one? How did the 3rd best team in the ACC (wake) do against the best team in the big ten (Illinois) this year? blowout loss. How did the third best team (wisconsin) in the big ten do against the best team in the ACC (UNC)? tough fought loss.

There is no argument. Big Ten > ACC or any other conference.

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Well, please allow me to retort.

If your basis for saying this is performance in the tournament, then yes, you can say that "the Big Ten > ACC in the tournament"; I would agree with you. However, you cannot expand the tournament to "this year" (this season), and that's what you're trying to do.

If you need justification for why ACC > Big Ten for "this year", please have a look at the results of the Big Ten-ACC Challenge, as well as the AP or USA Today Top 25 Rankings. Aside from Illinois' dominate presence at the top, the pickings are very slim for the Big Ten. The ACC has three teams in the Top 5 (UNC: 2, Dook: 3, Wake: 5). To get three Big Ten teams, you have to go Top 20 (Illinois: 1, Michigan St.: 15, Wisconsin: 20).

Hell, Sagarin has Big Ten picked fifth (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkc0405.htm) behind ACC, Big East, Big 12, and SEC!

Your move.

DangerGoodson

03-27-2005, 06:25 PM

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I can't see how anyone can argue that the big ten isn't the best conference in the nation this year. 3 teams in the Eilte 8, did any other conference get more than one? How did the 3rd best team in the ACC (wake) do against the best team in the big ten (Illinois) this year? blowout loss. How did the third best team (wisconsin) in the big ten do against the best team in the ACC (UNC)? tough fought loss.

There is no argument. Big Ten > ACC or any other conference.

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Well, please allow me to retort.

If your basis for saying this is performance in the tournament, then yes, you can say that "the Big Ten > ACC in the tournament"; I would agree with you. However, you cannot expand the tournament to "this year" (this season), and that's what you're trying to do.

If you need justification for why ACC > Big Ten for "this year", please have a look at the results of the Big Ten-ACC Challenge, as well as the AP or USA Today Top 25 Rankings. Aside from Illinois dominate presence at the top, the pickings are very slim. The ACC has three teams in the Top 5 (UNC: 2, Dook: 3, Wake: 5). To get three Big Ten teams, you have to go Top 20 (Illinois: 1, Michigan St.: 15, Wisconsin: 20).

Hell, Sagarin has Big Ten picked fifth (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkc0405.htm) behind ACC, Big East, Big 12, and SEC!

Your move.

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If the regular season mattered so much, why does the ncca have a 64 team tourney?

jesusarenque

03-27-2005, 06:25 PM

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I can't see how anyone can argue that the big ten isn't the best conference in the nation this year. 3 teams in the Eilte 8, did any other conference get more than one? How did the 3rd best team in the ACC (wake) do against the best team in the big ten (Illinois) this year? blowout loss. How did the third best team (wisconsin) in the big ten do against the best team in the ACC (UNC)? tough fought loss.

There is no argument. Big Ten > ACC or any other conference.

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Well, please allow me to retort.

If your basis for saying this is performance in the tournament, then yes, you can say that "the Big Ten > ACC in the tournament"; I would agree with you. However, you cannot expand the tournament to "this year" (this season), and that's what you're trying to do.

If you need justification for why ACC > Big Ten for "this year", please have a look at the results of the Big Ten-ACC Challenge, as well as the AP or USA Today Top 25 Rankings. Aside from Illinois dominate presence at the top, the pickings are very slim. The ACC has three teams in the Top 5 (UNC: 2, Dook: 3, Wake: 5). To get three Big Ten teams, you have to go Top 20 (Illinois: 1, Michigan St.: 15, Wisconsin: 20).

Hell, Sagarin has Big Ten picked fifth (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkc0405.htm) behind ACC, Big East, Big 12, and SEC!

Your move.

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If the regular season mattered so much, why does the ncca have a 64 team tourney?

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$$$$$

JinX11

03-27-2005, 06:34 PM

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If the regular season mattered so much, why does the ncca have a 64 team tourney?

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What? Is that the best you can do?? If the tournament is all that matters, why even have the regular season?

Please explain how it is that all of the 30+ games played by each team in regular season somehow is worth infinitely less than a tourney consisting of 6 games or fewer for each team?

Your sample size is too small; mine is better. Again, I definitely agree that the Big Ten has outperformed all else in the tournament - there simply is no argument (until UNC wipes the floor with all of them /images/graemlins/wink.gif). But, you're trying to take the results of a very few games, contrast them to the much larger population of regular season games that display medoicre Big Ten performance, and say the former is a better measure than the latter for "this year". That's absurd.

DangerGoodson

03-27-2005, 06:51 PM

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If the regular season mattered so much, why does the ncca have a 64 team tourney?

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What? Is that the best you can do?? If the tournament is all that matters, why even have the regular season?

Please explain how it is that all of the 30+ games played by each team in regular season somehow is worth infinitely less than a tourney consisting of 6 games or fewer for each team?

Your sample size is too small; mine is better. Again, I definitely agree that the Big Ten has outperformed all else in the tournament - there simply is no argument (until UNC wipes the floor with all of them /images/graemlins/wink.gif). But, you're trying to take the results of a very few games, contrast them to the much larger population of regular season games that display medoicre Big Ten performance, and say the former is a better measure than the latter for "this year". That's absurd.

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How is a season not defined by what you do in the tournament?
The TOURNAMENT IS THE SEASON!

JinX11

03-27-2005, 06:59 PM

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How is a season not defined by what you do in the tournament?
The TOURNAMENT IS THE SEASON!

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Umm, no. The season, which includes both regular season and post-season games, is the "season". The season is defined by what you do throughout. I refuse to believe you are this dense.

But should I expect anything rational from a supporter of the conference that cannot count the number of teams in it correctly?

End of thread.

bugstud

03-27-2005, 07:00 PM

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How is a season not defined by what you do in the tournament?
The TOURNAMENT IS THE SEASON!

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Umm, no. The season, which includes both regular season and post-season games, is the "season". The season is defined by what you do throughout. I refuse to believe you are this dense.

But should I expect anything rational from a supporter of the conference that cannot count the number of teams in it correctly?

End of thread.

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I don't consider the playin game loser to be in the tourney

maybe he doesn't either

DangerGoodson

03-27-2005, 07:08 PM

If UNC would have lost to Oakland in the 1st round do you consider their "season" a sucess? No. Once again the sucess of a season is defined by what you do in the tournament. I think you took the short-bus to school.

JinX11

03-27-2005, 07:21 PM

And I think you're a moron with little in the way of reading comprehension skills. As I've said, I'm not saying the tourney doesn't mean anything - I think the tournament is a part of the whole, not the entire season. You somehow believe the 30+ games of the regular season is like the pre-season or something.

You're throwing a team's expectations and goals into the mix when making your statement; there are very MANY teams that will call their season a "success" that did not do well in this tournament. Heck, many teams that didnt even make the tournament will consider their season a success. By your definition, there are only 65 teams that even HAD a season.

Let me guess: you are one of those that thinks the Buffalo Bills were a failure since they never won the Super Bowl, right?

I shouldn't try to argue with a wall. Please try to think harder.

Clarkmeister

04-02-2005, 10:06 PM