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budidharma

03-26-2005, 11:05 PM

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (10.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero caps, SB calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 22.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Jc 4c (full house, jacks full of fours).
MP1 has 5h Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has As 5s (flush, ace high).
Outcome: SB wins 22.50 BB. 

... ?

GrunchCan

03-26-2005, 11:08 PM

Oh, hell. Bet that flop, duder!

KaiShin

03-26-2005, 11:12 PM

Bet ze flop! You gotta get the money in while you can.

River cap is great.

Also, if you want better feedback on your hands don't post results with them.

budidharma

03-26-2005, 11:19 PM

I just lost about 5 hands in the past hour, all similar to the one above and this one I'm posting:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $0.02.
Hero calls, 3 folds, MP3 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 folds, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB raises, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Qs Ts (flush, king high).
Hero has Kd Td (three of a kind, kings).
Button has Jd Kc (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: BB wins 15.75 BB. 

About -80BB for the friggen hour, lost my +80BB from yesterday.

Either I'm a fish, or just got a buncha bad beats in a row.
I know, I should have capped that first flop, but after loosing that badly, I'm started getting reluctant to make the plays. I'm taking the rest of tonight off.

KaiShin

03-26-2005, 11:22 PM

I'd usually fold this one PF, KT UTG is trouble.

budidharma

03-26-2005, 11:26 PM

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I'd usually fold this one PF, KT UTG is trouble.

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It's a borderline hand. According to the expected value charts I got from 10 million hands played on PP, its +EV UTG.

WLLH says to fold it early pos, SSH says to play it.

GrunchCan

03-26-2005, 11:39 PM

PF, open for a raise. If you can't open for a raise, fold. The presence of dead money behind you makes this doubly true, but its still true without it in there.

3-bet the turn. You have the best hand the overwhelming majority of the time.

What is your thinking on the river? Why rasie now but not the turn?

Note that had you openraised PF, the player that beat you would have been wrong to call 2 cold.

budidharma

03-26-2005, 11:55 PM

I didn't reraise the turn because I was worried he had already made his flush. Even though it's so loose at these limits, I usually don't get THAT much action, unless villan had a made hand already.

On the river I realized that what I was doing was probably against the odds, that's why I reraised here.

Do you know how to do the math here? How often will I loose to a flush in these circumstances?

And isn't my KTs UTG just a calling hand, rather than a preflop raising hand?

GrunchCan

03-27-2005, 12:01 AM

I don't know precisely, but I don't need to. I know that you won't lose to a flush more than 33% of the time, so you must raise.

budidharma

03-27-2005, 12:06 AM

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I don't know precisely, but I don't need to. I know that you won't lose to a flush more than 33% of the time, so you must raise.

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Roger.

GrunchCan

03-27-2005, 12:11 AM

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I don't know precisely, but I don't need to. I know that you won't lose to a flush more than 33% of the time, so you must raise.

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Roger.

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Do you see why? This is a very important concept that applies to virtually every hand you play.

budidharma

03-27-2005, 01:24 AM

I don't know how you figure 33%.

... this has been my luck all day.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (7 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (7 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: (8.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 folds, CO calls.

River: (15.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc 6c (three of a kind, kings).
CO has 8h Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: CO wins 17.50 BB.

J_B

03-27-2005, 01:50 AM

1. Hero is MP2 with A, 5. You have to bet this flop. You have a 34% chance to make your hand. Get that bottom pair out of there!

2. Hero is UTG with K, T. I dump this preflop. I MIGHT bring it in from MP3, definately from late position. I'm going to prefer to try to steal the blinds with it.

3. Hero is BB with K, 6. I don't know why you would check raise this? There are 7 people in the pot. Betting out IMHO is MUCH better. You want to know if someone possibly has you beat. Unfortunately the turn really gets you roped into this hand. Now you have to see it out. I being my extra tight self dump this after the flop or if I raise and get reraised it's a call down or fold for me. I want to see the end of the hand - cheap. This really depends on table reads mostly. Being Party, anything is possible. All I see the check raise doing is helping your opponents get better pot odds for their flush draw.

JB

cmwck

03-27-2005, 02:15 AM

You must bet this for value on the flop.

The river cap is probably for value unless he has exactly J4 or J2