Arizona looks over matched so far

[radek2166]

They might be in for a long game

[ddollevoet]

That's what they were saying about Louisville before the half....

[SackUp]

How are the looking overmatched?? AZ has shot for crap beyond the arc are still w/in 2.

Salim will come to play in the second half and AZ wins by 5.

[zaxx19]

Ill take Illinois to lose by 4 or less or win....if thats an even money bet.

[Cubswin]

IL is getting killed on the glass

[Cubswin]

...and also getting killed by turnovers

[trying2learn]

i'm an az fan, so i'm a bit biased...but this is one helluva game. Great fun to watch...and I agree, if Salim finds shots...it's over.

[Cubswin]

ummm.. that wasnt a 3

[Jack of Arcades]

but that was

[pc in NM]

"Gravity's Rainbow"!!! - Salim's first score puts the Cats up 6!!!

BEAR DOWN!!!

[Cubswin]

If it was, he traveled... cuz both feet were on the line before he settled up for the shot

[radek2166]

Doh I spoke too soon. AZ was down by 7 when I posted this. Sorry.

[Jack of Arcades]

I meant Salim's first score, which he shot from about the NBA 3.

[Cubswin]

That indeed was a legit 3... no argument there

[trying2learn]

this has been a national championship caliber game - i don't see how anyone could think otherwise.

[trying2learn]

too bad it's in the fourth round.

[pc in NM]

[ QUOTE ]
this has been a national championship caliber game - i don't see how anyone could think otherwise.

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought the AZ/OSU was very well played by both teams, too. This is the best regional, IMHO

[bugstud]

jebus, hit the first free throw already.

[Cubswin]

time to hit some FT

[Jack of Arcades]

Jesus, does Illinois know how to run a half court offense? Doesn't look like it.

[bugstud]

[ QUOTE ]
Jesus, does Illinois know how to run a half court offense? Doesn't look like it.

[/ QUOTE ]

seem to do this a lot in the beginning of second halves, dunno why

[Jack of Arcades]

Well it seems like the cats got off a few fast breaks and Illinois just started trying to force [censored] up. Then when that didn't work, they just waste the shot clock and throw up a 28 foot prayer.

[NAU_Player]

11 point lead for AZ with 5:23 left

SEXY!!!

[Jack of Arcades]

Well, this *was* an evenly matched game. Wildcats up 13 with 4 and a half.

[Cubswin]

sigh... Dee wasnt fouled just then???.. oh my

[Cubswin]

Got to tip your cap to AZ... broke down the IL defence, owned the boards and inside game. Saw this coming a mile away link (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2010908&page=0&view=expan ded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

[bugstud]

I feel worse than my wsop sat bubble experience right now

[Cubswin]

Dont leave us Deron... come back next year.....

(as a cub fan there is always next year)

[bugstud]

[ QUOTE ]
Dont leave us Deron... come back next year.....

(as a cub fan there is always next year)

[/ QUOTE ]


there is hope yet

[pc in NM]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Dont leave us Deron... come back next year.....

(as a cub fan there is always next year)

[/ QUOTE ]


there is hope yet

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes there is - I'm going to my Xanax-loaded Pez Dispenser every minute or so!!!

[Tyler Durden]

Holy crap what a block that was.

[Dead]

[ QUOTE ]
Holy crap what a block that was.

[/ QUOTE ]

He got stuffed!

[bugstud]

come on, you've come this far....

[Sponger15SB]

WHAAAAAT IS GOING ON!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[NAU_Player]

Is that a comeback I smell?

[Dead]

Please hold on Arizona.

Please.

[Number4]

[ QUOTE ]
WHAAAAAT IS GOING ON!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[/ QUOTE ]

Is Zona trying to lose this game or what?

[Cubswin]

Can they pull off a Red Sox style comeback?

[NAU_Player]

What the [censored]

[bugstud]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cubswin]

UNREAL

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
WHAAAAAT IS GOING ON!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[/ QUOTE ]

ILLINOIS HAS COME BACK FROM THE MOTHER [censored] DEAD.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Number4]

This is just stupid. Salim better do something with the ball.

Edit - Illinois is blowing up right now. I don't want another overtime game.

[IggyWH]

They're trying to give this game away. They're all doing their best impression of Tony from Blue Chips.

[DangerGoodson]

HOLY [censored], best comeback of all time if they win! Was about ready to talk [censored] about Illinois again...

[bugstud]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
WHAAAAAT IS GOING ON!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[/ QUOTE ]

ILLINOIS HAS COME BACK FROM THE MOTHER [censored] DEAD.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

you didn't see Mizzou-ILL braggin rights few years ago

[pc in NM]

LOOKS LIKE THE iLLINI GET THE ASSISTS FROM THE REFS, TODAY...

nOT CALLING OBVIOUS FOULS

[IggyWH]

[ QUOTE ]
Got to tip your cap to AZ... broke down the IL defence, owned the boards and inside game. Saw this coming a mile away link (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2010908&page=0&view=expan ded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

[/ QUOTE ]

It's not often I see a fan eat crow because their team turned things around.

[bugstud]

omgomgomgomgogmogmogmgogmogmogmo

[NAU_Player]

OT

holy [censored] what was AZ doing!

[Cubswin]

Theyve been going both ways my friend

[radek2166]

Another overtime

[Brain]

That was the ugliest minute I've ever seen.

[zaxx19]

DONT EVER QUESTION ILL'S HEART!!!

NEVER EVER.

[Phoenix1010]

Wow.

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
HOLY [censored], best comeback of all time if they win! Was about ready to talk [censored] about Illinois again...

[/ QUOTE ]

[Brain]

Maybe he's all heart, but Dee Brown surely has no brain throwing that ball up to no one in particular.

[pc in NM]

[ QUOTE ]
DONT EVER QUESTION ILL'S HEART!!!

NEVER EVER.

[/ QUOTE ]

No one has...

And, no one will...

[DangerGoodson]

Dead, what bet did you lose to get that avatar?

[Cubswin]

It's not often I see a fan eat crow because their team turned things around.

Ill eat cock if they pull this thing out. No augie and foul trouble....

[Dead]

[ QUOTE ]
Dead, what bet did you lose to get that avatar?

[/ QUOTE ]

Syracuse going farther than Illinois.

[IggyWH]

[ QUOTE ]
Maybe he's all heart, but Dee Brown surely has no brain throwing that ball up to no one in particular.

[/ QUOTE ]

It actually was a good attempt, CBS just blows with replays. Williams broke down court and no one was near him. If that pass would have got off, he would have had a layin at the buzzer.

[pc in NM]

They just tackled Shakur - no foul - WTF!!!

[Brain]

It only got to the free throw line! Too much of a crowd to try that, imo.

[bugstud]

[ QUOTE ]
Maybe he's all heart, but Dee Brown surely has no brain throwing that ball up to no one in particular.

[/ QUOTE ]

ball was partially deflected and deron was open on the other end for a layup

[bugstud]

ILL! INI!!!!!!!

[Cubswin]

ILL....

[IggyWH]

Arizona gave away this game just like WVU gave the game up. You would think a team in the Elite 8 would know how to hold a big lead and not shoot themselves repeatedly in the foot.

The 2 better teams won, but the two other teams gave them up.

[NAU_Player]

Arizona loses because Stoudamire is 2/12

Illinois deserves to go to the final four more than AZ. This is disgusting.

[Cubswin]

...INI

[Jack of Arcades]

Not over yet...

[MEbenhoe]

OMFG, somebody shoot that Illinois cheerleader. I mean... like.... go illinois.... yeah.... DIE!!

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
Not over yet...

[/ QUOTE ]

11.8 left

this is it.

[bugstud]

[ QUOTE ]
OMFG, somebody shoot that Illinois cheerleader. I mean... like.... go illinois.... yeah.... DIE!!

[/ QUOTE ]

someone sounds bitter

[NAU_Player]

11.8 left, 1 point game

Illinois defense holds up and moves on to the final four.

[MEbenhoe]

[ QUOTE ]
OMFG, somebody shoot that Illinois cheerleader. I mean... like.... go illinois.... yeah.... DIE!!

[/ QUOTE ]

And then the Zona cheerleaders are huddling up during the timeout? WTF?? my head hurts

[DangerGoodson]

Prediction: Salim hits a runner for the win after pump faking the three.

[MEbenhoe]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
OMFG, somebody shoot that Illinois cheerleader. I mean... like.... go illinois.... yeah.... DIE!!

[/ QUOTE ]

someone sounds bitter

[/ QUOTE ]

wrong, someone can't stand listening to the ditsiest blonde i've ever seen

[Cubswin]

Greatest NCAA comeback ever... do you see why?

[NAU_Player]

[ QUOTE ]
Illinois defense holds up and moves on to the final four.

[/ QUOTE ]

[Danenania]

Wow.

[Brain]

Awesome little pass and rest of the possession. Good job guys.

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Not over yet...

[/ QUOTE ]

11.8 left

this is it.

[/ QUOTE ]

That was horrible, I could have put up a better shot.

[zaxx19]

Pop the coller its over Zona looked lost and the Illini advance.

[bugstud]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
OMFG, somebody shoot that Illinois cheerleader. I mean... like.... go illinois.... yeah.... DIE!!

[/ QUOTE ]

someone sounds bitter

[/ QUOTE ]

wrong, someone can't stand listening to the ditsiest blonde i've ever seen

[/ QUOTE ]

come on man, they're cheerleaders

what do you expect?

[JinX11]

[ QUOTE ]
Not over yet...

[/ QUOTE ]

Over.

Worst.Possession.Ever.

[Phoenix1010]

Great final play. Bet they drew it up just like that.

[IggyWH]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Arizona screws up and doesn't do [censored] with their time

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

I fixed your post.

[DangerGoodson]

[ QUOTE ]
Prediction: Salim hits a runner for the win after pump faking the three.

[/ QUOTE ]

Or he doesn't touch the ball.

[GrekeHaus]

That was a [censored]' terrible ending for such a great game.

[DangerGoodson]

What a come back.

[MEbenhoe]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
OMFG, somebody shoot that Illinois cheerleader. I mean... like.... go illinois.... yeah.... DIE!!

[/ QUOTE ]

someone sounds bitter

[/ QUOTE ]

wrong, someone can't stand listening to the ditsiest blonde i've ever seen

[/ QUOTE ]

come on man, they're cheerleaders

what do you expect?

[/ QUOTE ]

IQs above 2.... I guess I expected too much. To be fair I ripped on the Zona ones too.

Good game Illinois. You better not blow it to UNC(if that game happens) or I will never forgive you.

[JinX11]

Ahhh, the dream continues:

UNC beats Wisconsin tomorrow.
UNC beats Michigan St. next Saturday.
UNC beats Illinois in the Championship.
I rag all of you Big Ten (11?) guys for a long, long time.

[zaxx19]

[ QUOTE ]
How are the looking overmatched?? AZ has shot for crap beyond the arc are still w/in 2.

Salim will come to play in the second half and AZ wins by 5.



[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
Ill take Illinois to lose by 4 or less or win....if thats an even money bet.



[/ QUOTE ]


I win the bet....Fear the orange.

[DangerGoodson]

[ QUOTE ]
Ahhh, the dream continues:

UNC beats Wisconsin tomorrow.
UNC beats Michigan St. next Saturday.
UNC beats Illinois in the Championship.
I rag all of you Big Ten (11?) guys for a long, long time.

[/ QUOTE ]


Wisconsin vs Illinois in the finals is more like it. 2 best teams in the country going at it for the 4th time this year.

[mmbt0ne]

Worst. End of game play. Ever.

[Cubswin]

Ill eat cock if they pull this thing out.

My mouth is open

[JinX11]

UNC led the nation in scoring, but in games in the 70 and below, UNC was only 4-3 this season. You're right: Wisconsin will give UNC fits tomorrow. OTOH, UNC wont be out of it, either...it'll come down to execution in the final 5 minutes.

[MEbenhoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Ill eat cock if they pull this thing out.

My mouth is open

[/ QUOTE ]

clearly you were speaking of some type of rooster dish... correct?

[zaxx19]

Guess thats why they call ole Lure a "practice coach"...

What did he draw up one high screen play and said , "if it doesnt work jack up some crap"??

[mmbt0ne]

I can't find it in me to believe he had anything to do with that final play. Maybe he fell asleep on the sidelines during that last time out. That was ridiculous.

[BWebb]

Watching the AZ press conference on ESPN, the final play was for Adams to get the ball to Frye down low or make a move to the basket. Salim was not suppose to get the ball at all!!

[DeathDonkey]

They went iso to Adams because he was just killing his defender all game. But he's not that type of player for a last shot, because he has to be able to drive and not get doubled. It looked like they were trying to force a double team but Adams couldn't break down his man.

It was a bad play call to put the ball in Adams' hands but the reason behind it made some sense. I really can't believe they didn't let Salim have it. I know he had a bad shooting day so far but its his game to win or lose. They wouldn't have even been there if it wasn't for him.

Everyone will talk about the last shot but they blew this game in the final 4 minutes of regulation. Shakur should be shot for the way he choked today.

Illinois made a great comeback and has heart and all that crap, but they got lucky as hell too. I haven't seen them play but how the heck do they beat anyone? They have no offense other than shooting random 3s and they can't rebound for [censored]. I was really not impressed.

-DeathDonkey
(UA student / superfan)

[Number4]

<font color="white">Open wider Cubs. </font>
What a great two games today. I had Zona in my bracket, but Illinois - damn. Nice win. I just hope the games tomorrow are as good.

[Cubswin]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050327/lthumb.ilrg12403270246.ncaa_arizona_illinois_ilrg1 24.jpg

[Cubswin]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050327/capt.ilrg12903270308.ncaa_arizona_illinois_ilrg129 .jpg

[Cubswin]

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20050327/i/r2237169686.jpg

[bugstud]

I am still shaking and questioning my judgement that I wanted to save cash for the final four games after going to the sweet 16 games.

christ what an amazing game

[Daliman]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
OMFG, somebody shoot that Illinois cheerleader. I mean... like.... go illinois.... yeah.... DIE!!

[/ QUOTE ]

someone sounds bitter

[/ QUOTE ]

wrong, someone can't stand listening to the ditsiest blonde i've ever seen

[/ QUOTE ]

come on man, they're cheerleaders

what do you expect?

[/ QUOTE ]

He'd prefer they were espousing Kant, I reckon..

[Clarkmeister]

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[/ QUOTE ]


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!

[Cubswin]

I actually shed a tears after that game.

I was spot on with my AZ +5.5 play though /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Clarkmeister]

[ QUOTE ]
I actually shed a tears after that game.


[/ QUOTE ]

Me too. I also had that numb tingling in my hands and feet that happens after crazy good sex too. It was so intense and unreal.

[Cubswin]

My hands were shaking for a good 15 mintues... had a hard time holding the phone to call fam and friends

[Clarkmeister]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I actually shed a tears after that game.


[/ QUOTE ]

Me too. I also had that numb tingling in my hands and feet that happens after crazy good sex too. It was so intense and unreal.

[/ QUOTE ]

By the way, there are actually several threads on illiniboard.com mentioning this exact same thing. And it wasn't like crying either, it was just like release and stress. I was on the phone with my Dad and we were just talking all during the game they just kind of kept leaking out after the game was over. Amazing.

[bugstud]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I actually shed a tears after that game.


[/ QUOTE ]

Me too. I also had that numb tingling in my hands and feet that happens after crazy good sex too. It was so intense and unreal.

[/ QUOTE ]

I still am shaking and can't talk

[Cubswin]

Here comes sportscenter /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[xorbie]

I just got home from watching this game. I'm in my second year at Illinois, and what can I say. Holy [censored].

I'm also from Boston, so with the Red Sox, Pats, Celtics and my Fighting Illini, I must say things are looking sexy for me.

[blindu]

i dont care if hassan adams does all the fancy dunks he wants in the next 2 years here, i still hate him for those last 11.8.
interesting note, if you look at the replay, with 4 seconds left, stoudemire comes off a screen and is ready to take the ball. i dont care that hes 2 for 13, hes still more clutch than...HASSAN ADAMS.

[Daliman]

[ QUOTE ]
i dont care if hassan adams does all the fancy dunks he wants in the next 2 years here, i still hate him for those last 11.8.
interesting note, if you look at the replay, with 4 seconds left, stoudemire comes off a screen and is ready to take the ball. i dont care that hes 2 for 13, hes still more clutch than...HASSAN ADAMS.

[/ QUOTE ]

I kept hearing that Stoudtamire was worn out.

[groo]

Illinois made a great comeback and has heart and all that crap, but they got lucky as hell too. I haven't seen them play but how the heck do they beat anyone? They have no offense other than shooting random 3s and they can't rebound for [censored]. I was really not impressed.

Kudos to Illinois for for taking what they where given, however, 12-18 Oakland University would have beaten UNC with same freedom to aggressively foul.

The officiating was equitable for a bout 5 minutes in the 2nd half, and during that time Arizona took a 15 point lead. And yes they played much to passively for the next 3 minutes, and Adams held the ball too long on the final play, but that would not have been an issue without the game long mauling that took place.

A couple of specific examples, 1) Arizona working the ball into Frye, the Ill player grabs Frye's jersey, holds him in place, pushes around him and shoves him 2 feet out of the way, pass goes over both players heads to where Frye would've been and continues out of bounds. Good job to Ill for scouting and knowing what was coming, and good job for making that play, but bad job to the officials for not calling the foul. 2) Less than a minute left, AZ by 7, left and Shakur with the ball, Ill trying to foul (and succeeding). Ill player commits foul and knocks ball loose, pauses waiting for the whistle. When there is no whistle he chases the ball down and takes it in for the easy lay up. Again good job to Ill for taking advantage of the situation, and bad job to the officails for looking the other way.

These are just two examples of the hacking, and general mauling that the officials ignored for all but about 5 minutes of the game.

Congratulations and good luck (they're going to need it) to Illinois, but the best team did not win.

[groo]

Worst executed anyhow.

[groo]

no

[Clarkmeister]

While I've seen all the whining about the officiating from the AZ fans, I disagree.

However, let's say you are right and the officiating was bad. AWESEOME. Finally some payback for the fcuking we got 4 years ago when the officiating was totally the other way and 5 of our 8 best players fouled out while not one single Arizona player fouled out and we still almost won. If there's one team that I could give a rats'ass if the officiating helped us against, it's Arizona.

That all said, I really think you are wrong. They also had shown lots of iso shots where Salim was grabbing the jersey of Deron trying to slow him down while he was running through pics. Lots of fouls against Arizona players went uncalled down low. The refs let the kids play.

[Cubswin]

Team fouls:
AZ = 10
IL = 18

Missed calls went both ways.... Dee was sodomized in the second half on more then one occasions. Radenovic's 3 was clearly a 2... games should have been over in regulation. The officating was loose the whole game and both ways. Get over it.

cubs

[holeplug]

The officiating was fine I thought. I mean it was terrible going by the rule book but at least they let them play and weren't too one sided either way. Plus the unlike the UNC/Villanova game the officials didn't decide the game and let the players make plays down the stretch which is nice for once.

[groo]

Finally some payback for the fcuking we got 4 years ago when the officiating was totally the other way and 5 of our 8 best players fouled out while not one single Arizona player fouled out and we still almost won.

I guess we'll have to disagree on that, I remember that game well, and frankly the Illinois players were a bunch of thugs. It seemed to me that they were badly overmatched and that they had no other option to stay in the game than to foul and foul hard. Thats why so many of them fouled out and it's why they stayed close. Basketball is physically rough game, but does not need to be (and shouldn't be allowed to be) taken to that level. That Illinois team had a well earned reputation, on a national level, for being overly physical.

Fortunately this Illinois team is not a bunch thugs, They are a very good team (obviously). There will always be alot of uncalled fouls each way, in this game I believe that any unbiased viewer (which neither of us claim to be), would agree that Arizona got beaten on and mauled inside to the point of not being able to play a game resembling basketball.

They also had shown lots of iso shots where Salim was grabbing the jersey of Deron trying to slow him down while he was running through pics.

I didn't see this, not to say that it didn't happen. I just didn't see it (could have to due with my bias). Illinois did a phenominal job of screening to create open looks, in fact, that was the best part of their game.

And as far as the refs "letting the kids play", yes they did. I feel they let it go too far. Calling ticky tack fouls is a bad thing, let them play.....But game altering hacks, shoves and near tackles shouldn't be allowed, and that is what the officials allowed the Illini to get away with for all but about 5 minutes of the game.

Home court advantage should have been enough for a great one loss team to soundly beat a lowly #3 seed. They shouldn't have needed the co-operation of the refs also.

[groo]

Team fouls:
AZ = 10
IL = 18

This is what happens when one team fouls more frequently than the other.

Radenovic's 3 was clearly a 2

I agree, but pointing to one incident to say the game should have been over in regulation makes no sense. We could always point to the IL steal with about a minute remaining. The one that your player hesitated to chase down. It seemed to me he was waiting for the whistle, when it didn't blow he chased down the ball and made the layup, the steal and basket on the inbound cut our lead to 3. The whistle blows, and Shakur goes to line and lead is 8 or 9, and this game has a different outcome in regulation also.

The officating was loose the whole game and both ways.

Arizona got hacked and mauled under and around the basket much more than should be allowed.

Dee was sodomized in the second half on more then one occasions.

Is that why he was smiling so much? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[groo]

I mean it was terrible going by the rule book but at least they let them play

If the play is foul or some other violation that alters the outcome of the game it needs to be called. If it is not called the game is not being contested under the rules set forth and ceases to be the same game.

If someone has two pair and a loaded pistol and takes a pot from someone with a full house, we can choose to "let them play", but they are no longer playing poker.