Super Thursday, 25 players left, should I be calling here?

[Tyler Durden]

Avg. stack was about 25k. If I called and lost I'd be at avg. but winning would have me at double the avg. Please let's not discuss flatcalling vs. overpushing as only the button is a contender behind me. The blinds have small stacks. Not much of a read on the guy who moved in (UTG) b/c when I'm in a tourney I don't turn the porn off till I make the final table. Which might be why I make so few of them? Hmmm. No just kidding about the porn. This guy just got moved and he's about to pay a third of his stack in the BB. Thoughts?

#Game No : 1789515758
***** Hand History for Game 1789515758 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:10681730 Level:15 Blinds (1500/3000) - Friday, March 25, 02:07:09 EDT 2005
Table Super Thursday(280078) Table #2 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: Blue_bird ( $7292 )
Seat 4: river1066 ( $13422 )
Seat 5: CHLuke ( $10925 )
Seat 6: valcrist333 ( $12625 )
Seat 7: robert07 ( $40674 )
Seat 8: bads33d ( $46692 )
Seat 9: ytrain ( $34479 )
Seat 10: TerryMyers ( $32864 )
Trny:10681730 Level:15
Blinds (1500/3000)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ytrain [ Kh Qc ]
CHLuke is all-In [10925]
valcrist333 folds.
robert07 folds.
bads33d folds.
DIBUDDAY: thats ur new name bads slider lol
ytrain will be using his time bank for this hand.
ytrain has KQ and decides to....???

Thanks much.

[SossMan]

push. he has a little over 3x and is desparate and you don't want to give the button w/ A7 or 33 any isolating ideas.

[Che]

Fold.

Even against a semi-desperate all-in, KQo is either behind or way behind more than 90% of the time.

I can see calling with it in the BB, maybe the SB if the BB is short, but I wouldn't even think about getting in at full price, especially with 3 players still to act.

Later,
Che

[SossMan]

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KQo is either behind or way behind more than 90% of the time.

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huh? the guy has 3x, he could (and should) be doing this with any king, most queens, any two broadway, any pair, T9s, etc...KQ is way ahead of that range.

[ZBTHorton]

Not to mention it could be a total steal, with him trying to get free blinds.

Call.

[dogmeat]

The raiser knows his blind is next, and will be getting all-in with a lot of hands here. I don't call, I push. Calling, and offering 2.5 to 1 to the button and even better to the blinds is not good. If I run into something, so be it, but they aren't going to get odds from me.

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[Roman]

overpush to isolate. The range of UTG here is almost any 2 I think... If the BB was a big stack, I might narrow that range a little, but considering BBs and SBs stack is almost perfect to steal from if you are a short stack, he could be doing this with a lot of hands.

[davidross]

Fold. Don't piss away good chips with KQ. I disagree with the people who say he'spushing with any 2 here.In my experience guys who let their stack get this low are waiting for big hands. Guys who are willing to just steal blinds don't get this low.

[SossMan]

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Fold. Don't piss away good chips with KQ. I disagree with the people who say he'spushing with any 2 here.In my experience guys who let their stack get this low are waiting for big hands. Guys who are willing to just steal blinds don't get this low.

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we don't know if he let his stack get this low or if he just lost a hand recently that got him short. All we know is that he doesn't have much time to go, so it has to be a wide range of hands here.

[Che]

[ QUOTE ]
the guy has 3x, he could (and should) be doing this with any king, most queens, any two broadway, any pair, T9s, etc...KQ is way ahead of that range.

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If that's your range, I guess it's OK to play:

Hand 1: 54.4807 % [ 00.53 00.02 ] { KQo }
Hand 2: 45.5193 % [ 00.44 00.02 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, KQs-K2s, QJs-Q2s, JTs-J7s, T9s-T8s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, AKo-A2o, KQo-K2o, QJo-Q8o, JTo }

But, if the guy's semi-tight:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 41.2157 % [ 00.40 00.01 ] { KQo }
Hand 2: 58.7843 % [ 00.58 00.01 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs, AKo-A7o }

The truth is probably somewhere in between (if we have no read).

I think it's close, but I don't like it with 3 still to act because we're toast if anyone else plays.

Later,
Che

[SossMan]

well, the numbers don't lie...i guess my instincts were off. I think that you are right and a fold is in order.

pokerstove is nice.

[Che]

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pokerstove is nice.

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Yes, it is. I should use it more often.

I'm glad you made me look this up because I've just been folding KQo to all-ins automatically since KQo sucks.

I now realize than when the opponent's range is wide a call may actually be in order (if enough overlay is there, that is).

Later,
Che

[Tyler Durden]

I called, he had 33 and it held up.