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budidharma

03-25-2005, 11:52 PM

I have lots of questions about hands, so instead of flooding the forum with a new thread everytime I have a question about a hand, I'll just post all my newbie questions here.

I just played the following hand:
PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (8.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls $0.02 (All-In), BB folds.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and twos).
Button has As 9c (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: Button wins 12.25 BB. Hero wins 0.50 BB. 

My thoughts were this: I had an overpair on flop, so no action. If I got re-raised, I would have folded, expecting either a higher-overpair, or a set.

When A fell on turn, I bet, assuming that if someone had an A, they would have folded when the flop missed them. If they hadn't, they probably would have reraised with their pair of A.

Still no danger on river, I put the caller on pair of 8s or 6s. Obviously I was wrong. Bad beat, or bad judge? Did I play right or wrong?

FishHooks

03-25-2005, 11:54 PM

Nothing at all wrong here, nice play

JoeBoo

03-26-2005, 12:00 AM

From what I've seen. Micro Limits are full of ace huggers, when the ace fell, I think I might have slowed up and called down from there...I've seen lots of instances where someone who hits the pair of aces (or top pair) will just call down.

jaxUp

03-26-2005, 12:01 AM

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I had an overpair on flop, so no action. If I got re-raised, I would have folded, expecting either a higher-overpair, or a set.

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TERRIBLE TERRIBLE thinking. A raise could mean they have an 8, a lower pp, or a flush draw, or even worse hands of a pretty wide variety. If it gets raised, you need to 3-bet, and then if it gets capped, you need to think about calling down. Folding this flop is gaytarded.

Also, you don't necessarily need to post all the hands you have questions about. As many experienced posters will suggest, the best way to learn is to respond to other people's hands and then get told why you are wrong.

jaxUp

03-26-2005, 12:03 AM

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From what I've seen. Micro Limits are full of ace huggers, when the ace fell, I think I might have slowed up and called down from there...I've seen lots of instances where someone who hits the pair of aces (or top pair) will just call down.

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BAD ADVICE. bet the turn. If you get raised, you can think about folding vs. a tight opponent, and calling down a known bluff-raiser.

bigmac366

03-26-2005, 12:08 AM

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ace huggers

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LOL. i prefer acehole though.

atnels

03-26-2005, 12:08 AM

You have to 3-bet if raised on this flop. Wouldn't you expect QQ or higher to reraise your flop raise? If it gets capped behind you and the turn doesn't help, then think about calling down.

scotty34

03-26-2005, 12:41 AM

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gaytarded

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lol, now you can offend two groups of people with one word

budidharma

03-26-2005, 01:09 AM

Same fricken' hand:

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 caps, CO folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (15 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Results in white below: 
MP1 has 5d 5s (three of a kind, fives).
Hero has Js Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: MP1 wins 17 BB.

jaxUp

03-26-2005, 01:10 AM

very well-played second hand.

DoctorDrew

03-26-2005, 01:15 AM

Are you kidding me?

Hand 1: What are you gonna do? He's afraid to bet his top pair. It happens.

Hand 2: Was this after you read the replies to hand 1? I think you played it fine. You have the odds to call the turn bet. I'd call down the river at 16:1.

Post some replies to hands too. Just read em and post what you think without looking at other thoughts. You'll learn a lot when you get shredded (you will)

budidharma

03-26-2005, 01:16 AM

Thank you. And oh me lord, played this hand as I was reading that post.

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. UTG posts a blind of $0.02.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, Hero caps, Button calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, MP1 calls, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (24.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, MP1 calls, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 36.75 BB

Results in white below: 
MP1 has Jc 2h (full house, twos full of queens).
Hero has Ad Qh (full house, queens full of twos).
Button has Ac 2d (full house, twos full of queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 36.75 BB. 

I love the fishes cause they're so delicious!

I had the nuts the whole time, and this guy kept raising me ...

DoctorDrew

03-26-2005, 01:18 AM

nice. But 22 would be the nuts on the turn.

budidharma

03-26-2005, 01:20 AM

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nice. But 22 would be the nuts on the turn.

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Errr ... indeed it is.

jaxUp

03-26-2005, 01:21 AM

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nice. But 22 would be the nuts on the turn.

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Screw that I'm still capping turn and river (unless J or K hits river, when I only let the river get to 3 bets.

DoctorDrew

03-26-2005, 01:22 AM

agreed. Just a pointing out a fact to the n00b.

Fear it not grasshopper, but aware of the possibility you should be.

budidharma

03-26-2005, 01:25 AM

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agreed. Just a pointing out a fact to the n00b.

Fear it not grasshopper, but aware of the possibility you should be.

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Indeed, I knew you weren't telling me not to bet all out. Thanks for correcting me.

ArturiusX

03-26-2005, 02:26 AM

Just a few things Budid;

1) Always look for dead money going in the pot. MP1 is the dead money. This means you only have to be correct that you have the best hand 1/3 times to make a profit. 2/3 times if if its heads up. So suppose instead of having AQ, you had A2. You hit the fullhouse, thats fine, but your getting bet hard, and you start thinking about the other nuts out there. But the more dead money you have in, the more you can call.

Complicated concept, but I think its one of the key ones to not spew chips at this limit. Perhaps one of the more advanced players can come in and finish it off for me.

2) Everytime you post results, god gives a bad beat against you. Don't post em, they interfere with the 'right play'.