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FreakDaddy

03-25-2005, 07:17 PM

Table is loose and pre-flop raiser has 30% PFR after 5 hands. Stick around or bail?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 2 folds, Hero?

David04

03-25-2005, 07:22 PM

I fold this preflop.

But since you have already limped, call this raise. If you don't hit the flop hard(strong draw, 2 pair or better) check/fold.

Entity

03-25-2005, 07:23 PM

Don't post a read if it's "30% PFR over 5 hands." That's not a read.

Folding this is terrible. The limp PF may be debatable, but whatever, I think it's fine -- as long as you don't consider folding to a later raise.

yellowjack

03-25-2005, 07:33 PM

Table is loose - so normally there are limpers behind him, there's not much PF raising, and the pot has 4+ other players. I think a case can be made for limping this any day of the week from any position.

KaiShin

03-25-2005, 07:35 PM

This is micro remember, flush draws alone will pay for this limp in EP /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Whatever you do at this point, don't fold it for one more bet.

Is there more to this hand? Seems kinda silly to post just a preflop decision.

J.DP

03-25-2005, 07:39 PM

Very very easy call.

FreakDaddy

03-25-2005, 08:23 PM

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Don't post a read if it's "30% PFR over 5 hands." That's not a read.

Folding this is terrible. The limp PF may be debatable, but whatever, I think it's fine -- as long as you don't consider folding to a later raise.

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Sorry, it's 50 hands, not 5. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

FreakDaddy

03-25-2005, 08:26 PM

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Very very easy call.

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And let's say only a flush draw comes and 1 player drops? Is this still an easy call? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

J.DP

03-25-2005, 08:27 PM

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Don't post a read if it's "30% PFR over 5 hands." That's not a read.

Folding this is terrible. The limp PF may be debatable, but whatever, I think it's fine -- as long as you don't consider folding to a later raise.

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Sorry, it's 50 hands, not 5. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Dude if his PFR is 30% over 50 hands then what are you worried about?

You'll be getting 5-1 to see the flop with what's most likely the best hand. If you're not happy with that then why did you call in the first place?

This hand doesn't have to be multiway to show a profit.

FreakDaddy

03-25-2005, 08:29 PM

More from same hand...

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button raises, Hero?

KaiShin

03-25-2005, 08:34 PM

Hmm, how confident are you that MP3 will call two more bets? My tendency is to 3-bet this, but not if it will lose MP3. I want him along for the ride.

David04

03-25-2005, 08:34 PM

Calls. You want an overcall from MP3, so don't force him to call 2 bets. Unless you think that MP3 will call a 3bet, just call this raise.

J.DP

03-25-2005, 08:39 PM

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More from same hand...

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button raises, Hero?

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If MP3 is super loose I would 3-bet for value if not this looks like a pretty easy call.

yellowjack

03-25-2005, 08:40 PM

What is the villain's WSD and W$SD numbers? If really high, suggesting he's a maniac, I'd be prepared to show this down UI unless MP3 is still in.

30% PFR after 50 hands, damn.

Entity

03-25-2005, 08:47 PM

Against a maniac, I'm 3-betting this flop. I'm also very strongly considering showing down Ace-high.

Rob

FreakDaddy

03-25-2005, 08:47 PM

So MP3 is loose/passive/passive. I was peaking at this table a lot and saw him making bad cold calls. CO was 58% WSD. I did a lot of isolation with this guy and won a decent chunk of change. Sometimes almost feel bad for these guys after 2 re-loads, but...

... more from hand.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 folds, Button calls.

So I 3-bet on the gamble that MP3 would still come along. I figured if he'd drop, my ace might even stand solid. Unfortunetly he droped... /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Turn: (7.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero ?

Think hard gentlemen.

FreakDaddy

03-25-2005, 08:49 PM

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Against a maniac, I'm 3-betting this flop. I'm also very strongly considering showing down Ace-high.

Rob

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That happens to be the line I took... let me know what you think about the rest of the hand.

KaiShin

03-25-2005, 08:54 PM

You said Button is a maniac postflop?

Check/call the turn and the river UI.