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MisterKing
03-25-2005, 03:44 PM
Villian is 37/10/1, sort of a standard 2/4 Party foot soldier. He's not wildly aggressive, but he's going waaay too far with some hands, while correctly making loose calls in big pots in other spots.

Leaving aside the action on other streets, is there any way at all you try to "save a bet" and fold on this river? I personally think no way, given the number of worse two pair combos that were made with the Jack, but friends of mine disagree (they reason that the flush and the straight beat me often enough that I need to fold vs. reasonable opposition).

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (8.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB
shadow29
03-25-2005, 03:51 PM
I don't think you can fold here.
me454555
03-25-2005, 03:51 PM
Closing the action, this call is manditory. If there were a few players behind you, case could be made for folding.
PotatoStew
03-25-2005, 03:53 PM
I would call. I'm more worried about the straight than the flush, but I think you win enough times to justify the call.
Sarge85
03-25-2005, 03:54 PM
Nah,

He could have made worse two pair, or just running a bluff.

Closing the action, I just call.

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TripleH68
03-25-2005, 03:57 PM
It is tough to put him on a hand since he posted and was likely getting 7.5 to 1 on the preflop call. This gives him odds to call with any piece on the flop.

The pot is just too big on the river if you aren't sure. I would call it and cuss appropriately...and take notes.
crunchy1
03-25-2005, 03:58 PM
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Villian is 37/10/1,

(they reason that the flush and the straight beat me often enough that I need to fold vs. reasonable opposition).


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I wouldn't classify villian as reasonable.
Argus
03-25-2005, 03:58 PM
Do not fold this hand before showdown.
MisterKing
03-25-2005, 04:04 PM
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Villian is 37/10/1,

(they reason that the flush and the straight beat me often enough that I need to fold vs. reasonable opposition).


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I wouldn't classify villian as reasonable.

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Agreed in full, which is why I called and stand by my decision to call down. Weak-tight 3/6 friends of mine still insist it was a bad play, but the pot was simply too large, and as you all have pointed out, I was closing the action.

Villian showed AsTh, and MHING... funny thing is I think his only theoretical mistake was on the turn (when he called getting insufficient odds on a four outer), and it was close to not being a mistake given implied odds. Them's the breaks.
TripleH68
03-25-2005, 04:07 PM
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Villian showed AsTh, and MHING... funny thing is I think his only theoretical mistake was on the turn (when he called getting insufficient odds on a four outer), and it was close to not being a mistake given implied odds. Them's the breaks.

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A player like this may have thought there was a chance he had the best hand on the turn.
TheHip41
03-25-2005, 04:18 PM
Easy river call