Too Tight?

[Degen]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t520)
BB (t730)
UTG (t1535)
UTG+1 (t690)
Hero (t1035)
MP2 (t720)
MP3 (t870)
CO (t865)
Button (t1035)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t60) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t60) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t15</font>, BB calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t75</font>, CO calls t75, SB calls t60, BB calls t60.

River: (t360) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>



for some reason the converter messed up the end of the hand....this is how it went:

SB Checks, BB Checks, Hero Checks, CO Bets 100, SB Calls, BB folds


Hero...folds.


Too tight?


(also anybody know what happened w/ the converter? i've never used it before...it was ignoring this last round of action).


Degen

[TheUsher]

Bet the flop hoping to re-raise someone who limped with AQ/AK, raise the turn, and at LEAST check/call the river. If you're that scared of running flushes or a gutshot straight hitting then that's weak. They just don't happen that often for me to check/fold that river.

P.S. That's almost the perfect flop for your 88 in my eyes.

[calf]

Easy call I think, especially closing the action. You're getting more than 4:1 and I think it's almost impossible to be behind SB.

[Degen]

it was the call that made me fold...not the bet...i figured the odds that one of them had me beat was greater than the pot was laying me at that point.


Degen

[TheUsher]

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it was the call that made me fold...not the bet...i figured the odds that one of them had me beat was greater than the pot was laying me at that point.

Degen

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If you don't want this happening to you, get more aggressive on the flop and on so you don't have some wacky people chasing stuff. At least bet to cut down the field and sweeten YOUR pot. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Degen]

ya i guess thats true..he would have raised his flush or straight...but i was thinking maybe he had a made hand but was thinking i'd fold to a raise and button was maybe going for a steal and would also fold.

dunno, i guess i just didn't want to let my stack dwindle any further at this point.

i never thought about the 'closing the action' point. thats a very good angle to this.


Degen

[Degen]

ya good point...i'm usually very agressive when i flop two pair or sets...but this flop just seemed so damned pretty...i thought it'd be harmless to slow play it.

I WILL NOT SLOW PLAY
I WILL NOT SLOW PLAY
I WILL NOW SLOW PLAY
I WILL NOT SLOW PLA...


Degen

[UncleDuke]

I vote call too. I'd be a little worried about flush draws since the whole world called your raise on the turn, but the 100 chips to call won't hurt you too badly, the odds are favorable, and it's an excellent point that you close the betting. Seems to me that you'll be shown pairs of aces or two pair often enough to make this a good call.

[curtains]

I think it's way too tight. People call with all kinds of junk in these games, the odds that you have the best hand are simply too good to pass up here IMO.

Also I bet the flop for sure. What is your dream? That someone with KJ will hit a jack on the turn and then wake up and give you all their money when there's an ace on the board? Instead what's more likely when you slowplay on an A83 flop is that someone catches a draw on the turn and has a legitimate chance to beat you, or that someone hits perhaps 2nd pair and gives you a few chips. I'd rather be greedy and start to build the pot now.

Of course sometimes it's fine to slowplay, but I just don't like to in this exact situation, mainly because there is no card that's going to help out my opponents enough for me to expect to make a lot of money from them. I think your chances at a big score are better by betting something immediately.

[Degen]

great points...thank you all

[morgan180]

bet the flop, make a bigger bet on the turn - take it down there.

[TheUsher]

Here's a similar hand that just occurred. I just check/called the flop because of the person behind me who'd push if he called. My intention was to check/raise all-in on the turn if the opponent who bet first called on the flop, but alas he checked behind. For sure had him on Qx. Dunno what he bet/called the flop with though...

***** Hand History for Game 1792673812 *****
NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:10708399 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Friday, March 25, 19:05:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 16927 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: kenw21975 ( $1800 )
Seat 2: The_Usher ( $1090 )
Seat 8: MiserableOne ( $895 )
Seat 9: crisbueno ( $1170 )
Seat 10: bob148bob ( $557 )
Seat 4: reggie44 ( $955 )
Seat 6: knish425 ( $1043 )
Seat 7: sucmywake ( $1300 )
Seat 1: yarmy ( $960 )
Seat 3: george1381 ( $230 )
Trny:10708399 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to The_Usher [ 6s 6h ]
yarmy folds.
The_Usher calls [30].
&gt;You have options at Table 12864 Table!.
george1381 calls [30].
&gt;You have options at Table 12326 Table!.
&gt;You have options at Table 12864 Table!.
reggie44 folds.
kenw21975 folds.
knish425 folds.
sucmywake calls [30].
MiserableOne calls [30].
&gt;You have options at Table 11774 Table!.
&gt;You have options at Table 12864 Table!.
crisbueno calls [15].
bob148bob checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 3s, Qh ]
crisbueno checks.
&gt;You have options at Table 12864 Table!.
bob148bob checks.
The_Usher checks.
george1381 checks.
sucmywake bets [70].
MiserableOne calls [70].
crisbueno folds.
bob148bob folds.
The_Usher calls [70].
&gt;You have options at Table 12864 Table!.
george1381 is all-In [200]
sucmywake calls [130].
MiserableOne folds.
The_Usher calls [130].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
The_Usher checks.
sucmywake checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
The_Usher bets [275].
sucmywake folds.
The_Usher shows [ 6s, 6h ] three of a kind, sixes.
george1381 shows [ Tc, Qs ] a pair of queens.
george1381 finished in tenth place.
The_Usher wins 275 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, sixes.
The_Usher wins 850 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, sixes.
george1381 has left the table.

[curtains]

Too much slowplaying IMO.

[TheUsher]

True, didn't want to scare him on the flop if he had the queen though. In other situations if it was an Ace or King on board I'd be more aggressive.

[Degen]

now that is a flop i DEFINATELY would have pumped. You had a bet and a caller and only one person behind you yet to act.

Degen

[curtains]

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True, didn't want to scare him on the flop if he had the queen though. In other situations if it was an Ace or King on board I'd be more aggressive.

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It takes a lot of work to scare the average PartyPoker player when they have top pair on the flop. You are a lot more likely to scare them with big raises later in the hand.

[Degen]

oooooh dirty

i just popped mine in replayer and saw that BB had AT...apparently he was slow playing that flop...i definately should have bet it.


Degen

[TheUsher]

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True, didn't want to scare him on the flop if he had the queen though. In other situations if it was an Ace or King on board I'd be more aggressive.

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It takes a lot of work to scare the average PartyPoker player when they have top pair on the flop. You are a lot more likely to scare them with big raises later in the hand.

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I'm going to take this to heart next time and make you proud curtains. /images/graemlins/wink.gif Next HH I'll post will be a nice check/raise with my set. You get used to 8 tabling yet? I'll be starting soon but I'm trying to get some kinks straightened out first.

[curtains]

btw I would probably bet out here (Small-medium size bet) with the set of sixes, not check raise.