Is this call too loose preflop? [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

gusser

03-25-2005, 01:22 AM

Is this call too loose getting 13 to 1 preflop? I don't want to be results oriented so i'm asking here. What cards are you folding for 13 to 1. Comments on all streets appreciated.
EDIT: it was 13 to 1 not 13.5

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (7 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (14 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (7 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, MP3 caps, Hero calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (30 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 33 BB

mr pink

03-25-2005, 01:28 AM

i doubt i complete it the first time around. i really don't know the math behind this stuff though, so i'm interested what others have to say. 13.5:1 is a hell of a lot

CallMeIshmael

03-25-2005, 01:35 AM

The odds against flopping:

An OESD on a nonpaired board,
8s over 6s,
3 6s,
or 3 8s

is about 12.5 - 1.

Considering there are worse flops than just those that are +EV, I think you have to complete here. You can't fold to the raise either. Nice hand.

mikeyvegas

03-25-2005, 01:37 AM

I think this is a bad pf call, the rest of the hand post flop looks good though.