Good spot for 'raise & fold to a cap'??? [Archive]

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That guy

03-25-2005, 12:53 AM

Or do I just have to take my medicine like a man?

Villain is not maniac... What could he possibly be raising me with?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.20 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.20 BB

mr pink

03-25-2005, 01:03 AM

i'd be tempted to raise the river.

i don't see folding anywhere, im curious. what did you think villain had here at the time that you were so worried about?

mantasm

03-25-2005, 01:04 AM

He was in the BB, he could have some ragged two pair. This seems like just the right number of bets to put in.

wrto4556

03-25-2005, 01:08 AM

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i'd be tempted to raise the river.

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Me, too. 88 is the only hand that you would fear. I don't think raising would be bad, set over set happens but most times I think we're ahead.

einbert

03-25-2005, 02:17 AM

Not a good spot to raise and fold to a three-bet.

A fine spot to raise and call a three-bet though. I think that's what I would have done.

That guy

03-25-2005, 02:34 AM

when I got raised on the turn, I had him squarely on AJ. When he capped it, I thought he had a set and I was dead to 1 out.

Had he called, I would have considered 2-pair. I realize I can't fold on the chance he has some 2-pair so I figure enough bets have gone in and I call.

Sounds like folding to a cap is not even to be considered.

He had 88.

mr pink

03-25-2005, 02:46 AM

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Sounds like folding to a cap is not even to be considered.

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folding would have been terrible. you shouldn't be looking for spots to fold a set unless the board is getting really ugly and there is hardly any chance you can win.

you couldn't have known he had 88 instead of 33 or an overplayed 2 pr.

That guy

03-25-2005, 02:59 AM

you shouldn't be looking for spots to fold a set unless the board is getting really ugly

I am not looking for spots to fold a set, I am just trying to read his hand and make good decisions. I think this board IS ugly for my set given that he is a 'normal' solid 5/10 player and I have bottom set. I am not saying I should find a fold here as this hand would be driving me crazy if I had folded. This is a situation where I am just glad I am not playing No Limit and I can look this guy up without it costing me my entire stack.

33 isn't really possible in my opinion. He is not going to call 2 more back to him on the flop with 33?

I didn't really even consider 2-pair given I really don't think he caps it with 2-pair.

mr pink

03-25-2005, 03:03 AM

i missed out that you said he was solid so yeah 33 is pretty unlikely. it's clear you made a good read and saved yourself some bets on the river, but you still don't want to be folding here.

capping w/ 2 pair is a fairly common occurrence, more common then set over set for sure.

einbert

03-25-2005, 03:03 AM

If he's really that solid then just calling is probably the best play.

What I think mr pink is saying is that if you raise, you should callt a 3--bet.

zephed56

03-25-2005, 05:48 AM

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Or do I just have to take my medicine like a man?

Villain is not maniac... What could he possibly be raising me with?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.20 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.20 BB

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Maybe he caught two pair, or his set on the turn.

I'd raise the river and call a 3-bet. I'm becoming a maniac though.