3 betting poll PART 2

[poker1O1]

ok, now let's say a 15/8 solid player raises utg, folds to u in the button, what hands do you 3 bet here?

[CardSharpCook]

None of them. Throw them all away.

CSC

[JAA]

FWIW, I just want to make a note that the wording is different in both of your polls, so you may have different results. The first poll asked what hands you would "consider" raising with, while this one asks what ones you in fact would raise with. The wording of the first one probably induced some people to check boxes more liberally (although even with a new wording I probably would have responded the same).


Personally, I would be three-betting TT, probably with 99, and decresing likelihood on down from there. Maybe smaller pocket pairs if I am a stronger postflop player than UTG and can control him pretty well. AJs and KQs would be the best of the non-pocket pair candidates, but I don't think I am doing it unless the conditions I noted previously are met.

Just my 2c - Jags

[JAA]

Personally, I think you are giving something up mucking TT and 99 here on the button, especially if you are a better postflop player than UTG.

I'm curoius to hear others' thoughts.

- Jags

[etizzle]

at first I thought that TT should be 3 bet, but I was wrong.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

976,013,280 games 2.015 secs 484,373,836 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 51.7698 % [ 00.51 00.01 ] { AA-99, AKs-AJs, KQs, AKo-AJo, KQo }
Hand 2: 48.2302 % [ 00.48 00.01 ] { TT }

[etizzle]

Its probably about neutral EV if UTG is very predictable with his preflop caps and postflop play. Otherwise its a muck.

[La Brujita]

I three bet tens, nines maybe, but usually muck 99 against that tight of a player. Hot and cold equity can't answer the question because a 7-3-2 flop will be played much differently than a A-Q-T flop.

Regards

[einbert]

[ QUOTE ]
at first I thought that TT should be 3 bet, but I was wrong.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

976,013,280 games 2.015 secs 484,373,836 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 51.7698 % [ 00.51 00.01 ] { AA-99, AKs-AJs, KQs, AKo-AJo, KQo }
Hand 2: 48.2302 % [ 00.48 00.01 ] { TT }

[/ QUOTE ]

If you consider your positional advantage and the dead blind money it's easily a three-bet, even given that range of hands.

[lil feller]

the only one that caught my attention was TT, and maybe 99. Depends on how ABC the PFR is post flop.

lf

[beachbum]

Position and taking control of the hand re-raising TT and 99 more than makes up for such a small equity disadvantage.

[Senor Choppy]

I think a 15/8 is tighter than this. I'm 19/10 and that's pretty much all I raise with UTG (and I also limp-reraise with certain pairs so this skews it even more).

I'm guessing the range for the average 15/8 UTG might very well be AA-TT, AKs-AJs, AKo-AJo, and that's it.

I think reraising with TT is pushing it, unless you're an excellent player, or the opponent can be pushed around postflop.

[CaliStyle]

Heads up with position, three bet with pocket tens as a big ace is more of a likely then any big pocket pair. Make it three bets and it sounds like you will know how to play this hand from there on out against this tight predictable opponent. Fold all those other hands including 9,9.

[Barry]

This guy is very tight, but I'll 3 bet TT here, the rest get mucked.

[The Dude]

TT only.

[bicyclekick]

most 15/8's are not all that solid.

But I'm still mucking every single hand.

[Justin A]

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TT only.

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[Dreamer]

Pokerstove is assuming that both players will never fold and neglecting the fact that you have position.
Thats not real poker EV wise.

D.