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Deathbear

03-24-2005, 02:40 PM

This was one of the largest pots I've seen at 2/4 so far. Flop was nice but the multiraises on the flop even with top set wasn't so nice.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Button raises, SB folds, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Button caps, BB folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (12 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP3 folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (18 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 30 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 8c 8d (full house, eights full of sevens).
UTG+2 has 9c Th (straight, jack high).
Button has 8s 7c (full house, sevens full of eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 30 BB.

DemonDeac

03-24-2005, 02:45 PM

fold the river /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jeffage

03-24-2005, 02:57 PM

I would lean towards checkraising the river against most opponents. He won't be able to resist betting his probable straight on the end but may only call with it cause the board paired. But you got assloads of action out of him, so your line couldn't be too bad /images/graemlins/wink.gif. But generally, with his turn action, you know he is going to bet the river but not necessarily raise a bet from you. Thats why I'm bringing out the sandbag.

Jeff

rmarotti

03-24-2005, 03:20 PM

WTF is happening in your avatar?

Deathbear

03-24-2005, 03:32 PM

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WTF is happening in your avatar?

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The King is crying because the queen is sexing up the Jack /images/graemlins/cool.gif

http://users.cableaz.com/~tnichols/images/title-lonelyking.gif

meep_42

03-24-2005, 03:33 PM

You should really have a suicide king for that.

-d

sinfulslick18

03-24-2005, 04:01 PM

and a one eyed jack

-sinful

sinfulslick18

03-24-2005, 04:02 PM

what do you guys think of a raise Preflop?

-sinful

Jeffage

03-24-2005, 04:06 PM

If the game is loose and passive, calling and hoping for a limpfest is better. If the game is tighter, raise it. In general it may be best to limp with this most of the time in EP at low limit games.

Jeff

Adjutor

03-24-2005, 04:11 PM

Well played. I don't know if you put him on T9, but it was perfect.

Also, Deathbear...SA Lonely King?

Deathbear

03-24-2005, 04:12 PM

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Well played. I don't know if you put him on T9, but it was perfect.

Also, Deathbear...SA Lonely King?

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On SA yes but I stole his avatar :ninja:

sthief09

03-24-2005, 05:12 PM

I would 3-bet the turn. you'll make your hand 1 in 4.5 and you're getting 3-1, so even if he does have a straight, it's not so terrible. but if he doesn't then you lose out on a bet when he's drawing to at most 2 outs. a smaller set or J8 seem very possible here.

adamstewart

03-24-2005, 05:28 PM

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I would 3-bet the turn. you'll make your hand 1 in 4.5 and you're getting 3-1, so even if he does have a straight, it's not so terrible. but if he doesn't then you lose out on a bet when he's drawing to at most 2 outs. a smaller set or J8 seem very possible here.

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Interesting.

I'm wondering, though.... on the flop, it is very unlikely that someone has a straight, and even if someone does have 5,6, we still want to pump this flop as much as we can, given that we have a 1 in 3 chance of making a boat, with 4-5 players in the pot. (And yes, on the flop it's more likely that the others just have overpairs, two pair, or smaller set anyway).

On the turn, however, we have UTG+2 suddenly springing to life. While two pair or a smaller a set are still likley, I think we have to allow for the chance he's holding T9, 56, or JJ.

If we *are* behind, we don't have the equity to raise with only two others in the pot, given that we're only completing a boat on the river ~20% of the time.

So, I guess your argument is that the COMBINED probabilites of Hero (1)still being in the lead, and (2)drawing to a winning hand, warrant a turn re-raise??

Adam

meep_42

03-24-2005, 05:58 PM

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So, I guess your argument is that the COMBINED probabilites of Hero (1)still being in the lead, and (2)drawing to a winning hand, warrant a turn re-raise??

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Correct. Some of the time (much of the time, I think) the Villain will get happy with his crappy 2-pair or set of 7s or what have you.

-d

StepRightUp

03-24-2005, 06:06 PM

any thoughts on a flop raise?

adamstewart

03-24-2005, 06:10 PM

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Hero 3-bets

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But ya, I think there's a strong argument for Hero raising initially, especially since he hasn't given us any reason to believe that a raise will come from behind.

Adam